I might call them up or e-mail them about it sooner or later. I've been thinking about making some up at Leland Lake but not really sure if I'd want to do that because the lakes so small, might ruin it if a bunch of people found it. There's another lake I'm probably going to try soon around the kitsap peninsula area that's supposed to hold some crappie, if I find some decent ones I might try it there. What's some of the inexpensive ways to go about making these condos? My friend has been getting rid of a bunch of trees and stuff on his land, mostly alders but I might ask him if he's got some other stuff that might last longer.