Corker, use a whole bream fished on the bottom. with a 7/O hook with steel leader and an egg sinker. When they pick it up and start running let it go and go and go. Then set the hook with all you got(we usually stand up for this). even then we only caugth 25% on the fish that bit. I have seen them at the Pony pasture pick up bream off the bottom and hold them in their mouth sideways, then after swimming a ways flip it 90 degrees and swallow it head first.