thanks guys - believe now may have been going too fast for spider rigging- but from what im hearing now its time to switch to long -line 'n so speeds need o be closer to what I was running - don't matter because going tomorrow & im gona hunt the 2-5' of water - single pole in hand jig fishing- my first love of crappie fishing- aint nothing like seeing a big ol crappie come out of a brush pile or beside a stump & inhale your jig before you feel anything!!