Bill, don't remember the guy's name either. Don't like moccasins at all. I was about 12 when we used to go to the place at Creeds on the river side and rent a boat from the one armed Jack and row out toward the the NW river to go brim fishing. We had a moccasin about 5' long and bigger around as my leg chase us for 20 minutes, we were rowing as fast as two 12 year olds could go, think that old wooden boat was on a plane. My buddy used to be on the call list for Va Beach to remove snakes back in the 70's, animal control wouldn't mess with them. I went with him to a house in Bay Island, lady had a pair in her greenhouse that were mating. He opened the door and one of them dropped off a ledge and chased him across the yard. That's when the lady told us she had sprayed them with a whole can of Raid before we got there. He put them in a snake bag and into the back of my old Datsun truck, I swear I could feel that truck shaking at every stop light. We took the them Back Bay Refuge to release them, he stood in the back of the truck and dumped them, the first thing one of them did was to strike the tire about three times, I drove about a half amile with my bud still in the back before I would even let him in the truck.