thanks guys,charlie ,I still am not good with SI, it is that I am fishing a good lake that makes it look like I know something about one. If Tap or some of those guys were bless to be up here for a while ,you would really see some good pictures, I know he comes some but I believe he wants to fish with only a short time to be here,thats what I would do .Going back mon with grandchildren for a week, might need some prayers as 2 are 8 year old girls