You all are a big help, thank you! When we go we will try your style of fishing and adjust what we can to succeed. I got the A rigs Pete makes and matched with some of cutbaits swim baits along with Striper Sniper baits plus 1/4 oz. jig heads. We are in the ball park but want to get better results. Maybe our speed is off from what you'll said. Hope to correct it and move on. THANKS !!