Bigdawgg, That's what happened to me. All the Livescope talk finally broke me down and I purchased the 93sv UHD bundle. I love it. Your Helix 12 will still be your primary tool but once the Helix says "stop here", Livescope will show you fish the Helix never dreamed of. I need to get Roy to come down to Gaston one time and show me how to catch these fish that have serious lock jaw. Livescope has shown me just how many fish are not eating my jigs. All these calm high pressure bluebird days have the schools of crappie on a Fast apparently.