Do ya'll realize that placing structure in public waters is illegal in all 50 states without written permission for the state department of conservation?
That's a hefty fine!
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Do ya'll realize that placing structure in public waters is illegal in all 50 states without written permission for the state department of conservation?
That's a hefty fine!
I've personally contacted conrolling authorities (C of E and Brazos Authorities) for the waters I fish and for placing man mande brush piles neither had a problem with it.
What would your suggestion be to this problem? Perhaps we should all wait on the state to fix this for us!:confused: I,ve talked with the "MAN" also he said he has no problem with it so long as it doesn,t endanger other boaters or harms humans (by placeing to shallow).Quote:
Originally Posted by Southeasttackle
Yes, most I have talked to have no problem with it either but that can't be a defense in court. I would recomend getting it in writing. Otherwise it's just your word against theirs.
The reason I posted this is that a friend of mine got a littering fine for placing some structure for crappie even after the lake manager told him he could (National forest lake). When going to court he found that only a certain person could give permission.
In the river systems it has to be the corp of engineers. In the National forests it has to be the local wildlife biologist.
That's what he was told.
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Oh... oh... oh... I know the answer pick me.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Southeasttackle
Yes....
As long as it doesn't block traffic they don't care you are helping them out
Congress didn't allocate any funds for the CRAPPIE STIMULUS so we are happy to help Uncle Sam and maybe ourselves as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southeasttackle
I am one that appreciates your warning because it probably needs to be said.
If I understand some folks correctly from Ohio they can't even put buckeyes in the water.
Thanks for saying it because most folks wouldn't have the gonads to put that on this thread.:eek:
Best of Luck
Maybe I should ask th corp. of engineers before I drop any man made structure for crappie. I didnt see anything against it in my TP&W outdoor annual hunting and fishing reg. book. But that doesnt mean there arent any regulations or restrictions. I dont wanna do anything illegal and chance losing my right to hunt and fish and trap. So again, I say thank you for th thread.
I probably comes down to some game wardens interpretation of the law. It's not clear at all here in Alabama.
I don't think there is a simple answer to this topic.
I have to agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southeasttackle
Although the US Army Corp owns and runs most of the dams we fish above, your local state enforces the laws the lake lays on.
Something good to know for all of us that drop things into the water. I try to always use all nature items (wood, boo, rocks) so I don't want to leave anything in the water that isn't already there. I have seen a lot of items being throw in that should have gone to the Dump....
Good fishing
It is not illegal in Arkansas other than maybe in the Corps lakes, and I have never heard of anyone getting a ticket for putting out brushpiles or other structure even in the Corps lakes here, and I know a bunch of people who have done it.
The Game Warden here told me as long as it was biodegradable and at least 4 feet under the surface it was legal.
The Corps is pretty flexible here folks. Often they will work in concert with you if you want to organize an effort to place fish habitat.
We have an ongoing program with the Game and Fish Commission on many of our lakes. Specifically, on Ouachita and now most recent, with the help of the Ag class from Centerpoint High School, at DeGray and Greeson.
I worked for the Corps for many years and never ever heard of ANYONE being dragged into court for providing habitat. We just had bigger fish to fry (pardon the pun).
But it never hurts to introduce only biodegradable stuff into the water. If you are uncomfortable, go to the lake manager and make a proposal. You might just be surprised...and get a cup of coffee and some good conversation as well. :)
aj
USACE (retired)
There is no regulation I know of that prohibits the introduction of bio-degradeable habitat into Corps waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by blairarnold
aj
USACE (retired)
I understand where yall are coming from. I personally only put stuff out that is wood (ie, biodegradable). Seems like plastic is a little trashy, but you better believe I'd fish over someone else's plastic brush pile in a second if I thought it had fish on it. Sounds kinda hypocritical, I know. Seems like this is a good discussion that might benefit from there being some state regulations on it that are public, known, regulations.
1 other thought...
A lot of the cover placed in the lakes is done so by people who live on the lakes. It's real easy to just build stuff in your yard, put it in the boat and head out at night and put it wherever you want. It's kind of a don't ask don't tell thing. If I had a house on the lake, I'd be taking stuff out a whole lot more than I do.
Ain't that the truth fishordie! But that doesn't stop a few Buckeyes from dropping a few buckeyes in the water for the crappie.;)Quote:
If I understand some folks correctly from Ohio they can't even put buckeyes in the water.
On Oologah lake in Northeast Oklahoma the Corp of Engineers organizes a brush pile day the second saturday of September. They even feed us and have drawings for door prizes. Ya'll come on over and help us out! And yes we can "do it ourselves" with the Corp's permission as long as it is not a hazard to other boaters. Oh yeah, DO NOT CUT DOWN A TREE OR BUSH on the bank unless it is during brush pile day when the corp provides us with chain saws.:D
Lowrance brings a bunch of IFinders to mark GPS way points and then a couple of weeks later the whole bunch get posted on the Corps web site. The Wildlife department brings a boat donated by Bass Pro with a deck that will tilt and drop brush and the Corp sets up about 4 or 5 other large deck boats made from large john boats. The Corp even provides us with 4x4 crates to put rocks in and tie brush to.:)
Yes, it would be nice to get an official word that everyone could have as a defense just in case. Just too unclear for me. Some officials saying it's illegal and just today one told me it was no problem but could not point me to a rule or law saying so.
What is the name of that national forest lake?
Opie1,
I'm sure your not the only one and glad to hear your helping the fishery there.
Coyote,
It really sounds like the fishery there is proactive and a really great idea. Wouldn't it be great to see all the state agencies have a program like that. What a difference it would make in a few years with more of the age classes surviving to grow to the size of spawning and legal limit.
Payne lake in Hale county.Quote:
Originally Posted by fultondalecrappie
See section 5.5:
http://www.agfc.com/!userfiles/pdfs/...dUsePolicy.pdf
yes. it does happen .........even in Ohio :D
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o.../121408020.jpg
One of many, I'm sure
look at the above picture. That is ALL there is to it. Put in at low water, sandy bank and nothing else for the fish to hold on. 12 stakes, everybody knows that 13 would be unlucky. For all you guys that are thinking about how to get started putting in brush, you don't have to imitate those here, that have evolved past this simple concept. if we could do it here, i would have a 1000 of them. and I do own a stake driver, just in case they change the laws. almost brand new.
I guess I've been making duck blinds all this time. For all you PETA types, wildlife veiwing structures.
At least Arkansas has addressed the issue. But again only allowed in lakes. No rivers??? And only natural materials. That just seems common sense to me. Why introduce something into our waters that will take millions of years to biodegrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by LMBarnett
The Ark. Game & Fish Commission regs posted by LM Barnett only apply to Game & Fish Commission owned lakes, and even then the fisheries biologist for any given district can approve pvc or other nonbiodegradable structures. In private or non-G&F owned public lakes you can put any structure you want. On C of E rivers and lakes I think maybe you technically have to have permission to put in nonbiodegradable structures, but I don't know of any one who ever got in trouble for putting them out. The Corps & G&F do have trouble with any structure which would impede or constitute a danger to navigation.