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There is going to be a meeting at the Henry County courthouse Sept. 9 at
7:00pm about the proposal for the creel limit to be lowered by 50% to only 15 per day. The Ky. portion of the lake has 20 per day. If you are interested in this subject you should be at the meeting.
What lake, is it Ky/Barkley?
Bassky:)
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Originally Posted by Bassky
It's Tenn. that's having the proposed change. KY has already changed their creel limits to 20/person/day, and that's on both lakes.
I'm in agreement with alot of the TN members, whom posted that the Tenn creel reduction should become the same as KY's ... IF they pass such a ruling. That would make it more fair to those anglers that fish both sides of the border, and/or the reciprocal area. It would also help the WO's of both states, to not have to try and determine "where" the fish were caught (by anglers holding licenses for both states).
I think Possumcop posted this notice, here on the KY Board, to inform those of us that fish the TN side. I don't know how much impact any Kentuckians would have, at such a meeting ... but, letting the TN folks know that reducing their current creel to 15, might persuade them to not travel across the border or purchase a TN license, & might open their eyes to the fact that an equal creel between the two states might be a better option.
... cp :cool:
I am with you pappy. More people around Britton Ford this spring from Ky than was from Tn. The creel limit brought them down/over. I can't fault them.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiepappy
I don't care what that Tn biologist stated at the meeting. There were no scientific data gathered like that in Ky to justify his (biologist) reply. Just good old boys here...
I believe Steve McCadams is right about the pressure. I will be talking to him sooner or later.
I understand the economics issue, but I also understand the greed.
Reducing the limit in Tn when there is a social issue and not a crappie population issue is not the corect thing to do. Let the reciprocal agreement exist for the bass folks to cross over, but make the KY folks buy a non-resident and a non resident boat registration and that will cut 75% out right there. Why punish TN folks, we are the ones paying the fees.
Why should the Bass folks be the only ones to enjoy the reciprocal zone ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sls
Why should out of state anglers have to purchase a non-res boat registration ?? We already purchase an out of state license, and many other things associated with our trips to TN (gas/food/lodging/bait/etc). No out of state traffic ... lower economic results for TN.
The Crappie don't know/care what state they're in (or were born in) :p
They can travel across the state line whenever they want.
They've already lowered the Watts Bar limit to 15 (from 30) ... and the reason given was to allow more people access to the resource (locals & out of staters). Maybe they are trying to equalize the limits statewide :confused:
I still think that on any body of water that crosses state borders .... the affected states should work together to equalize creel/length limits --- whether it's an increase or decrease.
... cp :cool:
CP what you guys are saying is KY folks are not liking TN folks in KY and Tn folks don't like KY folks in TN, pure jealousy, sounds like a bunch of 7th graders. TWRA does creel surverys, run traps year round, etc. Tim B brought those results to the meeting. Cutting the limit is NOT going to help the fishing or the population. If you want to support something that will help, support the 11" limit. The biologist recommended the limit for KY lake stay at 30. he also stated KY and East an Middle Tn all will require their own surveys and regulations. No one group of people own KY lake . Make it as enjoyable to everyone, for as long as possible.
Take deer hunting, henty county, you can take 1000's. In another county it may be 50. Each place is different.
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just expressing my opinion that bordering waters should be equally limited (creel/size) so as to make it more fair to anglers on both sides. That's more towards agreeing with you, than taking sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by sls
Both states are economically helped by the influx of anglers from the other. I was of the impression that it was you that was wanting to "punish" Ky anglers, for fishing in TN waters ... by your statement that KY anglers should have to purchase non-res boat registrations. KY doesn't require it of TN anglers.
My "support" of a 20fish limit in TN's portion of the lake ... was just arbitrary, as I was just considering making it equal to anglers of both states. I just don't think it's sound practice to have confusing/different creel/size limits on a body of water, just because it runs across state lines. If it were up to me, I'd say let either state's anglers fish the entire lake ... with the creel & size limits being equal for the whole body of water. But, it's not ... and I don't fish there enough to offer any qualified opinion on "what's best" for the TN portion of the lake. I've never fished any part of KY lake, up river of the 68 bridge ... never had to. When I did fish KY Lake, Jonathan Creek was as far up river as I needed to go. Most of my successful Crappie fishing trips were at Barkley Lake, anyway ;)
On the other hand ... I do economically impact the TN coffers, to the tune of several hundred dollars a year, when I make my two per year trips to Watts Bar Lake. Food/lodging/license/gas ... the Tn taxes of 9+%, plus the added taxes on lodging ... and all for the chance to catch a maximum of 15/day x2 days (legal possession limit) of 10" or larger Crappie. I do so, gladly ... even though I pass by several perfectly good KY lakes, to get there. I'm neither greedy nor jealous ... I just like Watts Bar Lake, the local people, and the adventure of the trip. I've been making this trip for over 15yrs, at least once a year ... and sometimes 3 times in a year. Greater regulation (ie - boat registration fee / higher length limit) would give me cause to consider staying closer to home. I can fish a local lake, with a 30/day creel & no size limit, that's only a 45min drive from home. And I have caught 2lb Crappie from it, & know it well (having fished it most all my life). Other Kentuckians may see fit to do the same ... so be careful what you wish for. ;)
... cp :cool:
CP what you guys are saying is KY folks are not liking TN folks in KY and Tn folks don't like KY folks in TN
CP, I'm not quite sure what he 's reading, I didn't take that from your post at all.
I do fish the TN side of KY/Lake. I was born in West Tn and was taken there by my grandfather when I was just a kid. Lot of good memories for me, and the fishing is good. That being said, I agree that having different regulations on the same lake with an imaginary line across it doesnt' make a lot of sense.
Reducing the creel would be fine by me, but I like the 11" size limit even better.
Ok let me clarify. No one owns KY lake. I wish everyone could catch what ever they want to every time they come. I don't care who fishes where. Kentucky's side of the lake, may need a 20 limit. East Tn may need a 5 limit. Middle Tn may need a 12" limit and 50 catch limit. ALL areas are different and need different rules. Look @ deer hunting in TN.
My whole point is, the reduction to 20 will not solve the supply and demand issue, as we are not adding any supply to the fish population. Raising the limit to 11" puts more unkeepble fish in the lake. Thus a 3 - 4 year old fish will spawn better than a 1 or 2 year old fish. We now depend on the 4-5 year old classes to spawn for our future. Why not use the 5-6 year old bigger fish to that and even add a class of unkeepable fish that will also produce. Crappie become more of a meat eater type fish @ age 4 and start to add weight quicker, thus healthier and produce better spawn. They usually die age 8 -10. So we would be keeping a better quality fish and have more of them. What is wrong with that
I don't think he was referring to me, but rather to Cane Pole. I'm basing that on his reply to Cane Pole on the TENN board, where he referred to "his other post". That, and Cane Pole's first line in his reply to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by badbrad
Anyway ... I found some interesting TWRA study info, on size limits, and posted about it on the thread in the TENN board. Seems like the TWRA thinks a 9" size limit would be more beneficial to KY Lake, than even the current 10" limit. I think they're basing that on some unknown values, though. They do mention that they need to know the natural mortality rates and the total % of Crappie removed from the lake, so that their study numbers can be compared to that, and adjusted.
I think SLS has his heart in the right place, but some of his numbers/info is a bit skewed.
I'm just wondering when the TWRA & KDFWR & all the other state's wildlife people, are going to catch up to the 21st Century :p --- Rather than have a few dozen people, who can make these meetings, be the only voice pro/con to their proposals ... why not put out a "vote" link, and ask thousands :confused: --- You could register using your fishing license number, read the proposal & the reasons/ideas behind such, then vote or make counter proposals. All their biologist's info/studies info/field experience is already in their own database ... so all they'd have to do is copy/paste the pertinent info into a polling post page, send the news media the address & post it on their main website, and give the people affected a couple of weeks to get around to making their choice ... then go from there.
Majority rule doesn't mean that everyone's going to be happy with the results ... just "most of them" will :p
... cp :cool:
CP...that's a great idea for voting oline and keeping fishermen regulary updated with the information they have. I fear though, that TWRA would have reservations about having masses of people voting and then showing the results. When we talk about Kentucky Lake on the Tenn. side, I think most people are really talking specifically of Big Sandy. The fishing is great there and people want to keep it that way. That's why the discussion has been so extensive.
I think it is ridiculous that we have this petty Kentucky vs. Tenn. thing going. It's paramount to a football game.
I for one enjoy fishing in my home state of Tenn. as well as venturing out to see some new and fresh crappie waters. I have also enjoyed guys coming down from Kentucky to fish with me. I can't wait to get back together with BadBrad and his son for a weekend of fishing. I wouldn't give a "rip" if those two were from New Zealand. They are good people in my book and a joy to share the water with.
The Hound
Looks like they got their CP's mixed up.:)
You folks from Ky come on down anytime and stop by. I ain't gonna broadside ya with my row of 40 pounders.:) Well, not yet anyway...:p
The points you brought to light is what I was referring to Pappy. The same points are brought to light on numerous state reports.
Pappy, you know I usually read up on an issue before I comment or insert the #12 in the mouth.
Sls and I have what is best at heart and I respect his opinion. I just disagree.
That is all that is to it.
Cane seems like you and I do not sgree on a whole lot. Don't make a whole lot of difference though, in the big picture does it. I do respect you and your opinions. How would 30 to 20 help, in your opinion?
PS I read today where Walmart is cutting back on fishing tackle by 50%. Wonder if they think gas will cut back on fisherman or other reasons?
I can not prove 20 would be the answer for the same reasons I have stated before. I don't know the answer nor do the biologists. They have science, I have the river time. My choice is about compromise, not about facts. Why give up everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sls
My comments submitted was to the change was try 20 with a maximum term limit of 5 years on creel limit. This way, we could revisit the issue and not be locked in forever without a chance of repeal.
You are right, in the long run our opinion don't really matter, but it does make for good conversation and information sharing. They are going to do what they want, not what we want anyway.
I believe Wal Mart is just making more room for China made junk to sell us at Xmas.