Braid ? Maybe

As most you know I’ve tried several brands of braid without finding one that showed me any advantage. Mainly distance with light lures .
Well , today I may have found one .
It’s made by KastKing, I think it’s a new . It’s called Destron Super Braid .
6# is .11mm .
I purchased some this week and spooled some onto a Daiwa Legalis LT 1000s and paired it with a 6’ Daiwa Trout X XUL rod .
My lure was a size 12 streamer hook with a 4.0mm tungsten bead with a trout magnet body to begin with , but later I switched to a Bobby Garland Itty Bit Swim’r .
I was surprised at how far I could cast the tiny bait . I believe it’s farther than I was getting with my 2# Floroclear.
Sensitivity went up . I could feel every little nip and when a little gill grabbed it , I thought it was a lot bigger than it turned out to be . :) .
I experienced zero wind knots or issues with this braid .
After a few fish , I switched rods and put the braid on my 5’ St Croix Avid ULF and got the same distance I was getting with the 6’ rod .
I finished fishing the morning with the Avid with the braid .
The little fish drove me crazy as I could feel a lot of nips that I wouldn’t have with the Floroclear.
I did experience more fish coming off than I usually do , but that could be just a bad day of hookups . A lot of them were small crappie and the braid may have contributed to their early release .
I’ll keep experimenting with it
I used a 6’ leader of 4# Floroclear.
Best fighter was the little shellcracker.

Good job. I’ve tried braid several times and always go back to mono. Keep thinking I need to be using braid but just prefer mono.

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Originally Posted by SuperDave336

Good job. I’ve tried braid several times and always go back to mono. Keep thinking I need to be using braid but just prefer mono.

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I’ve always been the same .
I’ve tried several but none of them have worked for me .
I hoping this one works . I need more line strength for fishing the town pond for pulling my catch up the high banks .

I've always been a mono user. Have been tempted to try braid on my spinning reels a time or two but don't feel like dealing with leaders on those reels.

Nice catches by the way.

Nice catches. Braid at 0.11 will break at 10 pounds. I’ll use it when popping a D2 jig in the White River for trout. Had many folks fish with me wanting to know why I was catching 5 to their one. With mono doing that you miss far too many fish. You can’t get a hook in them with all that stretch you have in mono. And when I get my boat I’ll most likely have a rod set up to pull bluegill and shell cracker out of the lily pads at Bald Knob. I don’t like braid but need different lines for different situations.

Regards


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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

Nice catches. Braid at 0.11 will break at 10 pounds. I’ll use it when popping a D2 jig in the White River for trout. Had many folks fish with me wanting to know why I was catching 5 to their one. With mono doing that you miss far too many fish. You can’t get a hook in them with all that stretch you have in mono. And when I get my boat I’ll most likely have a rod set up to pull bluegill and shell cracker out of the lily pads at Bald Knob. I don’t like braid but need different lines for different situations.

Regards


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I don’t like braid either , but I do need something stronger that will still give me good casting distance.
I was surprised how good this stuff cast .
I think I should have given the Daiwa braid a longer trial .
I don’t think I ever really fished it , I just tried casting it in the driveway .
I think the braid reacts differently when wet .
I’m more concerned with castability than I am breaking strength as long as it’s rated more than 4# .

Great info. Give X9 braid a try as well. X9 braid 6lb is only .08mm yet is rated to break at 17lbs. I use it for trout and have full confidence in it.

I'll check out the kastking braid, although it's slightly larger in diameter than X9 braid it might be slicker? Attachment 463781

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Sounds like some awesome braid

Glad you’re finding one you get along with. Not everyone may agree but I have a few thoughts on braid. First, I like it for several reasons, and I’ve spoken all of those a few times. But mostly, new braid and braid that’s been used about ten trips is very different IMHO. The coating that is put on it is flexed enough times and it softens and has a better personality. That’s when it starts casting real nice and stops falling off the spool. So my point is that if you decide to try braid, make a commitment to run it for a month of active fishing before you tear it off and put it aside. I’ll also say that wind knots just come with the territory and there’s some checks that you’ll have to build into your style that don’t exist with mono. I love it when you get a hit and lift your wrist to set the hook at almost full cast distance and then the drag sounds off. My drag is usually set a little light but not wimpy, you can always add a couple of clicks. You can tell I like it and a lot of my rods have it, both fresh and salt.

Tim , which is the VARIVAS braid you’ve been using . I think you said it was 1.5# .
I should have ordered some last week .
I was looking for it on Amazon.

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These are two of the five I’m using and that are doing well for me. The one on the right is the one that I was using when I straightened the hook on the big tilapia. The stuff below .2 is kinda hard to find so I bought the .15 from varivas home site. Not the cheapest but they had it. I just ordered a spool of .2 for my brother through Amazon and while it said free 3 day shipping when it came down to it they don’t want to honor the time stated and they’re saying the 26th. I’m about to cancel the order. Just be careful where you deal with. And it’s easy to see, even comes in pink. I have no shame so it wouldn’t bother me.

Thanks Tim , I just ordered the 7# (6.7# average) in pink . Says I should get it Sunday .
Think I put it on my Soare XR 500spg .
Any suggestions on how to attach it to the spool ?

Interesting. I can tell you don't use Power Pro. It is a four strand brand that is not very round. It didn't do that well on casting distance for me. My 2lb Trilene XL can cast a Panfish Magnet slightly farther. It just didn't come off the reel smoothly. Yesterday I took it off and replaced it with Trout SOS 2lb. Haven't had a chance to use the SOS yet because it is raining right now.

That’s what I use Trout SOS 2# on my Leland Trout Slayer rod (now the BnM TCB). I like the line and it seems to cast a mile to me.

Has anyone tried the Diawa J-Braid Grand X8?

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That’s what I use Trout SOS 2# on my Leland Trout Slayer rod (now the BnM TCB). I like the line and it seems to cast a mile to me.

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With any mono or copolymer, I soak it in warm water for at least 5 minutes and then spool it with the line spool just flopping around in the pail of hot water. I do use a wet rag in front of the first eye on the rod to provide tension. I saw this on You Tube a few years ago and have never had any twisting or memory issues by doing it this way. I was extremely impressed by how straight the SOS was after doing this. There was no waviness, nothing but straight and limp. I can't wait to try this! Also, as it a copolymer it will have less stretch than mono and be a little more sensitive.

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Has anyone tried the Diawa J-Braid Grand X8?

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I tried the Grand and the regular J-braid X8 in the driveway but not actually on the water . It didn’t cast as far as 2# Floroclear.
I think that’s where I messed up with braid, not trying it wet . I think it makes a difference.

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Originally Posted by peshtigost

With any mono or copolymer, I soak it in warm water for at least 5 minutes and then spool it with the line spool just flopping around in the pail of hot water. I do use a wet rag in front of the first eye on the rod to provide tension. I saw this on You Tube a few years ago and have never had any twisting or memory issues by doing it this way. I was extremely impressed by how straight the SOS was after doing this. There was no waviness, nothing but straight and limp. I can't wait to try this! Also, as it a copolymer it will have less stretch than mono and be a little more sensitive.

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Been on TM pro staff since 2009. Up until 2017 I used SOS 2# test line almost exclusively. While it has some good qualities low stretch is not one of them. As a matter of fact the line has way too much stretch. But I would say the line is good value for money spent.

Regards

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Been on TM pro staff since 2009. Up until 2017 I used SOS 2# test line almost exclusively. While it has some good qualities low stretch is not one of them. As a matter of fact the line has way too much stretch. But I would say the line is good value for money spent.

Regards

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What line do you use for UL and casting light stuff like the trout/panfish magnet?

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What line do you use for UL and casting light stuff like the trout/panfish magnet?

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For nylon line I use Varivas Twitch Master Very Low Stretch in 3# test...I use several types of braid from Varivas and for most of my panfishing I use Varivas ES2 Lemoni Ester line in 2.3# test. Ester line is a bear to manage but the rewards are worth it.



Regards

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For nylon line I use Varivas Twitch Master Very Low Stretch in 3# test...I use several types of braid from Varivas and for most of my panfishing I use Varivas ES2 Lemoni Ester line in 2.3# test. Ester line is a bear to manage but the rewards are worth it.



Regards

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What would you recommend for all around panfishing, that is not a bear to manage? UL rod and spinning reel.

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What would you recommend for all around panfishing, that is not a bear to manage? UL rod and spinning reel.

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This right here in 3# test......diameter of 0.128mm. But nylon line Ive seen on the market.
Super Trout Advance Twitch Master VLS Nylon - VARIVAS


Regards

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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

This right here in 3# test......diameter of 0.128mm. But nylon line Ive seen on the market.
Super Trout Advance Twitch Master VLS Nylon - VARIVAS


Regards

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Even a Legalis 1000 size reel has a line capacity of 4lb test at 250 yards. The line you have recommended comes in 100m spools. Do you put a backing on?

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Even a Legalis 1000 size reel has a line capacity of 4lb test at 250 yards. The line you have recommended comes in 100m spools. Do you put a backing on?

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I don't use backing. All of my reels come out of Japan and are shallow spool reels....so the reel will only hold 100 meters. What you just mentioned is why I went to all shallow spool reels.



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You can get SLP works shallow spools for Diawa Reels they even come in a Diawa box. I have a couple for the Legalis. I got them from ali express. It took 3 to 4 weeks to get them delivered. Despite what the link says the 1000 series spools work just fine on a 2000 series reel.
DIY Daiwa Slp Works Shallow Spool DAIWA Spinning Fishing Reel Ninja Freams Fuego Regal REVROS CROSSFIRE LT LEGALIS LT EXCELER LT - AliExpress

I also have the SLP spools for the 21 Diawa Presso reels that I recently got. With the price of the Presso it allows me to just change the type of line I'm using without changing reels depending on conditions and what type of fishing I'm doing.

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You can get SLP works shallow spools for Diawa Reels they even come in a Diawa box. I have a couple for the Legalis. I got them from ali express. It took 3 to 4 weeks to get them delivered. Despite what the link says the 1000 series spools work just fine on a 2000 series reel.
DIY Daiwa Slp Works Shallow Spool DAIWA Spinning Fishing Reel Ninja Freams Fuego Regal REVROS CROSSFIRE LT LEGALIS LT EXCELER LT - AliExpress

I also have the SLP spools for the 21 Diawa Presso reels that I recently got. With the price of the Presso it allows me to just change the type of line I'm using without changing reels depending on conditions and what type of fishing I'm doing.

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Thanks been thinking about trying a shallow spool for the Daiwa Regals I have.

The regal is a little different than the others. It has 2 bearing for the spool, to use a SLP spool you have to remove one of them and I think you need the black spool. It makes it a little more difficult than just swapping the spool over. I have one american regal and haven't bothered to swap the spool.

Hmmm, maybe I just leave them alone then.

You know , every time I start thinking about ordering shallow spools for my reels that don’t have them …………
I get to adding up the cost ………….
And I think , I could put that money toward a Shimano 21 SOARE XR C2000SSPG . :)

Or not. [emoji38]

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Originally Posted by gillchaser999

As most you know I’ve tried several brands of braid without finding one that showed me any advantage. Mainly distance with light lures .
Well , today I may have found one .
It’s made by KastKing, I think it’s a new . It’s called Destron Super Braid .
6# is .11mm .
I purchased some this week and spooled some onto a Daiwa Legalis LT 1000s and paired it with a 6’ Daiwa Trout X XUL rod .
My lure was a size 12 streamer hook with a 4.0mm tungsten bead with a trout magnet body to begin with , but later I switched to a Bobby Garland Itty Bit Swim’r .
I was surprised at how far I could cast the tiny bait . I believe it’s farther than I was getting with my 2# Floroclear.
Sensitivity went up . I could feel every little nip and when a little gill grabbed it , I thought it was a lot bigger than it turned out to be . :) .
I experienced zero wind knots or issues with this braid .
After a few fish , I switched rods and put the braid on my 5’ St Croix Avid ULF and got the same distance I was getting with the 6’ rod .
I finished fishing the morning with the Avid with the braid .
The little fish drove me crazy as I could feel a lot of nips that I wouldn’t have with the Floroclear.
I did experience more fish coming off than I usually do , but that could be just a bad day of hookups . A lot of them were small crappie and the braid may have contributed to their early release .
I’ll keep experimenting with it
I used a 6’ leader of 4# Floroclear.
Best fighter was the little shellcracker.

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Which rod is the one pictured with the red hook keeper at the bottom and the gold banding near the handle? That is a gorgeous fishing rod.

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Which rod is the one pictured with the red hook keeper at the bottom and the gold banding near the handle? That is a gorgeous fishing rod.

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That is a Daiwa Trout X XUL . It’s an entry level JDM Daiwa rod .
The black and gold comes in a 5’6” and a 6’ model .
I also have one in a an UL version .

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That is a Daiwa Trout X XUL . It’s an entry level JDM Daiwa rod .
The black and gold comes in a 5’6” and a 6’ model .
I also have one in a an UL version .

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Thank you so much! Gonna look it up online.

Do you have an Iprimi and what do you think of it? You always show some pretty rigs. The Iprimi caught my eye while snooping.

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Do you have an Iprimi and what do you think of it? You always show some pretty rigs. The Iprimi caught my eye while snooping.

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I have two Iprimi rods .
The 5’6” XXUL that most folks talk about .
To me It’s too whippy. It’s not a swimming rod . It would probably be a good rod to put braid on and fish hardbaits with . Spoons and Roostertails .
The other is a 6’ XUL travel rod . I bought it thinking it might be a little more versatile, with a little more backbone. It is , slightly less whippy . It’s not a jig swimming rod either.
Others may disagree with me , but that’s the way I see them .

Thanks chaser. I knew I’d heard talk of them before but couldn’t remember. I have one short rod that I’ll bet is rated 1-4lb line. Had a six foot blank and took it back for another 2-6 lb rod. If my little one wasn’t a pfenix blank I believe it would also be a noodle, which I don’t care for. I did find a couple of Daiwa Mini Mite reels on eBay like I had 40+ years ago. They’re more expensive than I remember. Duh. 2 bearings and made in Japan but I’m not giving $140 for a bit of nostalgia.