24 hr. curfew for the city of Tuscaloosa, What's it like in your area?
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24 hr. curfew for the city of Tuscaloosa, What's it like in your area?
It's coming here in Memphis, Bartlett, TN area.
How does that work?Can you not leave home at all?
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Yup: can't leave home unless it's essential like food, medicine and such. It's one step below a true Wuhan-style lockdown.
So you can’t even go off by yourself and fish?
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Nope. All parks and boat ramps have been closed.
Just got pick up Mexican food in Huntsville, after working on garden all day! Lots of people in line, everyone very polite! We will get through this! My best to all!
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Will the WMA’s in Alabama be open for Turkey season! Don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t, as long as everyone kept their distance.
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Intial "soft" shutdown went into effect earlier this week, but it's all but being ignored. Now the mayor has had to shutdown city parks etc as of a few hours ago. I have seen a slight decrease in traffic around Memphis but not much maybe 10% less or so. What I have seen is a big increase of older folks out an about. Been working in Bartlett last couple of days and most folks I see out are the ones that are considered most susceptible to the virus. Guess you can't kill good old American spirit, but I now find it hard to believe that the blame is placed on the younger folks squarely for disregarding and spreading the virus to the more vulnerable due to irresponsibility. It will get more intense as the masses choose to ignore it. Use common sense is all, and I don't subscribe to the fear factor one bit. If I didn't have to be around other folks then I wouldn't, but I would not stay locked in the house either!Quote:
Originally Posted by trypman1
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Maybe I'm wrong but this is a way over the top reaction. Just look up how many people have died from the flu. It's around 16000 this year alone in just the US. I understand it is bad for older people or people in bad health but this think isn't even close to as bad as the flu or the numbers don't look that way. It's like we're in the twilight zone. Kids get out of school for rain now. I don't believe we could win WW2 now. I'm just staying away for elderly people and people in bad health so I don't get them sick. I just don't see the need in all of this panic.
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But you're not looking at the bigger picture. Yes there are worse diseases, but the hospitals only have so many beds. Even with social distancing and such, it will still overwhelm our hospital capacity. We aren't fight a WW2 enemy. We're not fighting in a desert. We're not fighting in a southeast Asia jungle. We're fighting a virus that we have no data on, and the virus itself is changing more rapidly than any other virus we've seen.
The problem is those worse disease are still out there and if the hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients, they won't have the ability to care for people who truly need treatment for those worse diseases.
We're doing this not to cower from the disease, but to fight it head on. The way to do that is isolation. If China had taken this disease this seriously, we wouldn't be in this fix. You can't look at the numbers today. Those people were infected 2 weeks ago. The spike is coming.
This is is far worse than the flu. At least we have a way to make vaccines for the the "regular" flu. We have zero infrastructure for this.
People don't understand how fast the disease changed from the time it got on the plane in China to the time it got off the plane in Italy. It was a different disease at that point. This is already worse than the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak.
This disease doesn't behave like the other flu viruses. It attacks the lungs, liver and heart. It isn't just a respiratory disease like the flu. It's far worse, and it's mutating at a pace we haven't seen before.
We're not panicking. This is a clear and calculated decision. Look at the news conference. Trust me Alabama is as conservative as it gets. Check out the news conference the data doesn't lie: City of Tuscaloosa – Government - Mayor Walt Maddox holds a press conference to discuss local efforts regarding COVID-19 | Facebook
Yes, 16000 people died of flu this year, but 21,000,000 contracted the flu. Almost 1600 people have died from covid 19 with 100,000 confirmed cases. Even if we haven’t identified all of cases due to testing problems this still makes Coronavirus 100’s of times more virulent! Many facilities are running out of personal protection equipment! I work in health care in Huntsville, and previously worked in NY. Friends who still work in NY are telling me TERRIFYING stories of equipment shortages and patients dying alone because they can’t allow family near them! UAB has rising numbers of patients on ventilators. I vehemently disagree with anyone who thinks this epidemic is overblown. Stay safe, go hunting or fishing , but don’t underestimate this pandemic!
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Many prayers and thankfulness for all health workers!! Curfews have started in the LR area, I expect more restrictions to come.
I kinda see it both ways. But to tell me I can’t go out in the middle of nowhere and fish by myself where there’s no way of transmitting or catching anything isn’t right in my opinion.luckily I know and regularly fish several places like that.
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My wife is a medic in Birmingham. So trust me I understand the danger and needs of health care workers. Y’all all take care and stay safe.
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WHAAAA ..well I guess we will have to start fishing pickensville and moundville more
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@DamionKidd, the problem with that approach I that you're look at the destination instead of the journey. Did you have to stop at the gas station to get gas? That's a point of contact. Did you have to get ice? That's a point of contact. Snacks? Point of contact. How many people did you have to pass within six feet in all those places? Those are all points of contact where you could have contracted the disease in numerous ways. Not to mention that every angler is having the same idea about fishing in "solitude" So you get the the boat ramp and there are tons of people there. How many of those people touched the same tie down on the boat dock?
Fishing doesn't happen in a vacuum. Again you have to look at the whole picture. That's what people keep missing here.
This virus thrives with bacteria and behaves almost like bacteria. All points of contact mentioned are possible transmission points. Just because you are fishing by yourself doesn't mean you won't contract and spread the disease on the way to and from your favorite spot.
Everything you touch leaves bacteria that his virus loves to thrive with. How many people touched that bag of chips or Vienna sausages between the factory, the warehouse, the delivery truck, the stock boy and all the people who decided to pick breathe on cough on sneeze on and put back on the shelf before you came along and decided that was the bag or can you were going to buy? Can you really guarantee that you aren't infected at that point?
You have to look at all factors. People just aren't looking at all the factors at play.
I am not an alarmist by any stretch, but I whole heartedly agree with everything fun until has said. That’s biggest problem we have in this country right now that so many people don’t want to believe how bad it is so they still want to be out and about. I have read everything I can find on this. It is not the flue by any stretch of the imagination. All the experts from around the world all agree that locking things down is the only hope we have of slowing this until better testing and a vaccine can be developed. Our country got caught with our pants down despite several warnings that something like this was coming. And it’s not a political thing. It’s just a blantant head in the sand approach from most major country’s.
I have a good friend who is dying right now in a hospital in Georgia. He and his wife were on a cruise ship that was one of the first quarantined. They spend days on the ship, then they were transferred to a base in Georgia and put in quarantined. Then tommy started showing symptoms and the transferred him to a hospital with pneumonia, temp going out of site, BP dropping to nothing. They finally got him on a vent. That was 3 weeks ago he has been basically been out of it since then. Finally last Sunday it looked like he was turning the corner, temp came down, BP settled down and he had stopped fighting the vent, Monday he started responding a little to the nurses. Day before yesterday temp started back up, and as of yesterday he was back about where he started. Dr visited with his wife yesterday and told her he was starting to show signs of multiple organ failure. And in this whole process his wife had tested positive and has gone through a bout of it while in quarantine and seems to have beat it without hospitalization but they still have her in isolation. If tommy makes it through this it will be by Gods hand. Those Dr’s and Nurses have worked tirelessly to save him and not near enough praise can be heaped on all these medical people for the war they are fighting.
Pay attention to what the medical experts are saying, follow their instructions, and we can get through this. Get it through your head, this is not the flue, it is not going away soon and it’s up to each and everyone of us to do our part. Remember this the one you may infect and could cause their death could be one of your loved ones.
Dang Charlie, I really hate to hear that. Prayers sent to that family and many others.
Prayers lifted up for Crays friends in GA
Prayers for your friend.
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Based on the amount of boats and trucks parked in the launch ramps on the big G on Friday and Saturday everyone is out on the water to avoid this plague!!!!
I totally understand and am not trying to be a rear end. But I am having to work. I have to do all of that to get there. Even had a guy at work that was exposed and still had to go.
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Truly sorry and praying for your friend Cray.
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Pick your poison, economical hardship for all with a national shutdown (even if a few weeks) for years to come or roll the dice with the few that we may be lost to the virus. (330 million survive vs. maybe 10,000 to 100,000 estimated loss). Wouldn't want to be in the position to choose that's for sure. I would always put life ahead of economics, but the two are delicately intertwined. I would like to say after all has been said we need to offer our prayers to the people on the frontlines. These folks don't have the liberty of choosing to bow out and go fishing or taking a walk in the park.. they could probably be selfish and stay home but they are out there making the wheels turns. They have my up most respect in all this chaos!
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Follow the guidelines, we must flatten the curve.
If everyone had more closely followed the 15 day advisory, we would probably all be better off today.
Let's all try to do our best!
When it's over, we will celebrate and praise the Lord for healing our land!
Prayers for Cray’s friend and wife. +Cross+
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowe175
"The vast majority of deaths from the virus are of people over the age of 70 with underlying frailties. The focus on New York where, of course, most of the media is based, is also flooding and distorting the picture for the rest of the country. Of course we need to pay attention to ground zero, which is New York. But what happens there is not what is happening everywhere. For example, our most populous state, California shows 149 deaths, 11% of the total in New York. Texas, our second most populous state, shows nothing like the death toll in New York, with 47 deaths, about 3.5% of the total in the Empire State."
More here:
Time for a Second Opinion | RealClearPolitics
H1N1 (no national shut down):
"From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus."
2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
KNOX COUNTY, Tenn. — Knox County is seeing a disturbing trend in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
Mayor Glenn Jacobs said on Friday that the Regional Forensic Center examined nine suspected suicide cases – eight of which are from within Knox County – in the past 48 hours alone.
That's 10 percent of the total number of suicides from all of last year, when there were 199 confirmed or suspected suicides from across the region and 83 in Knox County.
“That number is completely shocking and makes me wonder if what we are doing now is really the best approach,” Mayor Jacobs said. “We have to determine how we can respond to COVID-19 in a way that keeps our economy intact, keeps people employed and empowers them with a feeling of hope and optimism – not desperation and despair."
Knox Co. seeing an increase in suspected suicides during coronavirus pandemic | wbir.com
Thanks for the prayers for my friend. They finally decided they had done all they could for him. Meet with his wife and son’s yesterday morning and the decided to shut off the respirator. They took him off about 7:30 and he passed away around 9:20 last night.
I appoligise for kinda Hyjacking funbun’s original post.
So sorry to hear that. Praying for the family and you as his friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cray
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I hate to hear this praying for the family and friends.
Sorry for your loss Cray...prayers sent.
Prayers for your friend and his family!
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You are absolutely correct! But it took almost 61,000,000 people with h1n1 to produce 16,000 deaths. With the mortality rate of Covid19, if it infects 61,000,000 people we may see 1,000,000 deaths. Corona virus is a whole different animal.Quote:
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I don’t think we really know its mortality rate. We know the mortality rate for those who have tested positive. But most people have not been tested. I just read a story that said the mortality rate was .66%, which is less than one third of what’s being reported.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcfillingham
New federal government predictions 100-240k may lose their lives to the virus. Very sad.
I agree that firm numbers are unknown, but I believe in erring on the side of caution is probably our best bet!
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Time to be serious and accept the social responibilty that tips the scale heavily toward caution.