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Well, when you can't make your charity stripe shots, you deserve to lose. Missed 11 free throws tonight. Cal needs to wear them out on free throws at practice. And you can't depend on one man to score all the points and carry the team. Monk has a target on his back the rest of the season.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Cards didn't exactly burn it up from the line.
Congrats to UL. They deserved that game.
Live with freshmen/die with freshmen. It still amazes me how Cal's teams can pick one player each game like UL/UNC/etc and make him look like an All American with screen door defense. Nobody thought Monk's game against UNC was anything more than a once-a-decade thing. He looked human on offense tonight and like a high schooler on defense.
Give it to Adebayo! I've ranted and thrown about everything in the house I can now. I'm done.
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They were tough tonight. Great game to watch. Congrats to the Cardinal's
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Great hard fought game IMO. Louisville is the only team I want to beat the Cats, hopefully they both have a good season.
They couldn't hit a barn door from the barn door hinge! Some bad calls that went both ways. We actually beat ourselves by allowing UL take us out of our tempo and playing style. Then couldn't make the free throws.
That was the two game killers!
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Briscoe was useless last night, and you had a 50% 3 point shooter sitting on the bench that should have got his minutes!! Mulder was already 2 for 3 from down town and should have been in the game at crunch time!! You are right Brian, you hit your free throws you still win the game!!
Cal is an over-rated coach, but a top-notch recruiter. He should of had two or three championships by now.
Disgruntled Memphis Fan
Gonna be hard for Calapari to win National championships while at KY. The way he recruits and moves players to the NBA is great but most Kentucky fans don't really care about how many go to the NBA they want to see the National Championship banners hanging from Rupp Arena! Not saying he won't win more at KY but hard to do with freshman every year.
Why you would say Cal "over-rated" as a coach, then identify yourself as a "disgruntled Memphis fan" ... speaks volumes. :RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by Nutbush
Calipari isn't "over-rated" as a coach, IMHO, seeing as how he's been inducted into the Hall of Fame, and has a better record at UK (so far) than he had at Mass or Memphis. And that's been accomplished with one & done freshmen, for the most part. If he wasn't a good coach, just being the "Coach at UK" wouldn't draw that many top ranked players .... just ask Gillispie. :Doh:
There is an old saying that you must lose one before you know how to win one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutbush
I understand why your disgruntled, I was for 10 years with Tubby at the helm!! I seriously doubt you will see any NCAA championship banners hanging in Memphis anytime soon!
I will keep the overrated Coach Cal, and his top notch recruiting. [emoji106]
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Win some, lose some. The lack of defense and poor selection of shots cost us the game. Oh...and missing critical free throws. They'll be fine and make a run like always.
I could not agree with this statement more!!!
I don't think "great recruiter, so-so coach" is fair. He's the best recruiter ever, so his coaching could never match that.
Also, I remember his UMass teams. He had one great player: Marcus Camby. The rest were good college players, but they certainly weren't the caliber he's getting now. He took those guys and gave UK all they wanted. They beat UK in the '96 regular season but lost in the Final Four. They also beat Georgetown in the tourney and totally shut down Allen Iverson. That doesn't happen without good coaching.
I watched Pitino coach at the Yum Center four years ago. Like him or not, he's one of the very best to ever coach in college bball. UofL was thumping Rutgers that night, it was the last year Rutgers played UofL. Rutgers joined the Big Ten the very next year. Anyway, UofL was winning by 45pts and Rick was wearing the soles of his shoes out, pacing the sidelines and barking at the refs in a 45 point blowout.
That impressed the heck out of me, most coaches would be sitting on their cans. Calipari is the best recruiter ever, hands down. In a game of even talent, Rick spanks Cal's butt, bet on it. BUT, Calipari consistently out recruits Rick, so it's give and take.
Cal is a good recruiter, maybe too good. Can you imagine what he could do if he didn't recruit so many one and done players? Can you imagine 4 titles in a row?
I bleed red so I enjoyed the game, but can you imagine if Cal had a K.A Towns or A. Davis to go with Fox and Monk, be unstoppable.
That's the nature of the game now, every school wants the top talent and the one and dones. Even all the coaches who spoke against it when Cal first started doing, now are following his lead. The only difference is they wear blue and white in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabe fisherman
Just think if Murray stayed for this season......Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwing
Murray and Monk in the backcourt!
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I used to watch college basketball religiously, but now with the best players leaving after one year. It's hard to really pull for a team, because they don't have the time to really develop as a "team." The change in the college basketball landscape has been unfortunate, in my opinion. Even coach K has stopped teaching old school ball. Sad.
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I don't understand UK fans at all.
You guys consistently have way better than average teams, way better than average recruits and money is no object in getting a top notch coaching staff. You barely love your team if they are winning and throw them all under the bus if they lose a game.
Living in SW Ohio there are a bunch of UK fans around here and even in the year they went undefeated until that last tourney game and they had over 30 wins I still heard guys complaining. No defense, can't shoot, can't make free throws...on and on it went. I thought WTH are you talking about, they were winning everything. I showed one guy that I worked with that they won by an average over 20 points, he still went on.
I was listening to one local sports announcer one day talking about the Arizona Wildcats and his comment was "they're fans really love those guys, not like the Wildcat fans south of us."
I'm a UC fan, we know where we are. Most years we get 25 wins +/-. We know we're not even going to get a look at the top notch recruits. We hope the next year will be better than the last but realistically we know it won't be.
Year after year you guys have a heck of a team, how you can't not see that is way beyond me.
If we had to talk politics, we would all kill each other.
Seriously, it's the fact we are able to get those top recruits that makes us expect them to perform at a higher level. Go back to the Billy Gillespie era and the expectations weren't nearly as high.
Exactly !!! And that's why we don't allow politics to be discussed on any forum, except the Way Off Topic Forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdux
(to crappiemax)
Big Blue Nation "barely loving" our team when it's winning ??? HA !!! Don't let a few armchair coach's banter make you believe that nonono ... just look at the number of fans that travel to away games !! The other venues, no matter how many seats they have, can't hold all the UK fans that "would attend" a game.
And again .... how can Coach Cal be a overrated "coach", when he takes 4 & 5 star high school kids and turns them into a top ranked team that wins against other teams that have been playing together (as a team) for 3-4yrs ?? And consider our record against U of L, since Calipari has been coach at U of K : 8-2 (counting this loss).
Just like anything else, you inspect what you expect!Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiemax
Knowing the caliber of our coaching staff, and the players that come to UK, I as a fan and supporter have high goals and expectations of every cat team, period.
I was complaining about missing free throws. This is the same shot, and same distance and rim height throughout their high school careers. I expect 95% of them to be made, period. They practice on how to show boat on their fancy passes and dunks, then the basics and fundementals of basketball should be practiced before hand, which includes shooting free throws.
When you miss 11 free throws I have a problem....
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It's just like saying here's a box of the best jigs on the market, now go to a foreign lake and outfish the local who fishes there all the time.
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How do you figure that? The goals are the same height, they are in the same spot and the floors are the same dimensions so I don't see it as a good analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locator79
UK has a good team and they will be very good when March rolls around. Louisville just played a better game THAT night, the next time may be a different story.
If that were the case, the would be no home court advantage. If you think shooting on every rim and court is the same, you are mistaken.
Not saying there is no home court advantage, just saying all the courts are the same, so is the ball. Unlike your analogy where the visiting fisherman has to find the places to catch (score) fish.
In the UK-Louisville rivalry I'd say the home court advantage is less than say, UK and Duke.
I dunno...after reading a few responses I still don't get it.
I guess even with the top recruits, top coaches and plenty of money if you are expecting perfection you will always be disappointed cause it's not even realistic to expect it.
To me it still doesn't explain why the cats fans are so negative and in fact seem to be against the very team and coaches they expect so much from.
I worked with one guy who still came in complaining even after a win. A player missed a free throw, missed an easy dunk or had a ball stolen and on and on he went. It was always something and I would think my God UK won by 20 points...
The fact that U of L won the game doesn't mean UK isn't a great team. As a UC Bearcat fan I can attest that no matter who you are, no matter where you play U of L is just one tough team to beat.
It seems to me you guys have had it so good for so long you really have no idea how good you really have it when it comes to college basketball.
I have to say I am definitely not a UK fan and never will be and I think I like the team more than their fans do. What a shame, you don't represent your team well.
And again I say .... don't let the armchair coaches you talk to, make you think they're in the majority in the BBN. ANY team can be beat on any given day. We got beat "this time" by UL, but it was always in doubt as to who would win throughout the whole game. We lost by 3 points ... not exactly a blowout, but a loss all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiemax
We don't necessarily "expect" perfection, we just "want" it. We hate to lose, and so we are quick to come up with excuses when we do. And in that close a game, against an in-state rival, a few missed free throws or missed 3 pointers is a depressing way to lose ... especially after beating a higher ranked team (UNC) than UL, by that same 3pt margin.
We have a very high standard. We're the winningest program in college basketball and we're #2 in national championships. The goal at UK every year is to win a National Championship. That has been a realistic goal for every one of Calipari's years as head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiemax
I think what you're talking about can also be seen in other sports and other programs. For example, I've been in Georgia for years, and they can't even spell "basketball" down here. If Georgia happened to win March Madness (try not to laugh), all they'd be talking about down here would be some offensive lineman that just committed to UGA. Mark Richt was a very successful coach at Georgia ... but he wasn't successful enough. If he had a 9-3 season, they'd be calling for his head. Kirby Smart just started, and I'm not sure how long he's gonna last.
Crappiemax I'm smellin' what you're stepping in. I've been a Louisville fan since the 70's, always had a soft spot for the underdog, hey I'm a Mopar guy too and there aren't many of us around here. I'd like for the Cards to win every game but it ain't going to happen, so I'm content knowing they'll be ready come March.
I've said before that the only team I want to beat the Cats is Louisville, definitely not a blue hater. You'll find no shortage red haters, in fact I had one member here tell me he hated Louisville fans. I don't get it, in the big scheme it really doesn't matter.
I totally agree that it doesn't really matter. But having married a girl from Louisville. I know plenty of u of k haters also I personally support all Ky schools. Unless they are playing UK then I want them to win. I was a professional student having degrees from UK,WKU,AND U OF L. actually WKU was my favorite school. I. really don't get the haters either!