I had a buddy send this to me and I thought it was very interesting. I have a lot of comments about it, but will keep them to myself.
If you are on Illinois fish talk also it will make more sense.
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I had a buddy send this to me and I thought it was very interesting. I have a lot of comments about it, but will keep them to myself.
If you are on Illinois fish talk also it will make more sense.
Wow ..... They really hammered him.
Anyone know what illegal culling is?
Yeah makes a lot more sense now. Not the first time a guide has been ticketed on the lake. I imagine illegal culling is releasing fish for a larger one after you have had them in livewell. Culling is only allowed in sanctioned bass fishing tourney's.
I will just put this out here before this takes off. I reviewed all the rules. This post does not break any rules right now but it could very easily get there. The paper looks like it is a public knowledge piece of information and there are lessons to learn here. But the first mention of someone's name or first bit of negativity towards anyone will result in a deletion of this post. Please keep this under control and friendly. This is my judgement of what I see happening here. Please show respect and we can keep on with conversation. Thanks.
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Heard talk about this at Shelbyville Crankfest. Sorry to hear
that the talk may have been true.
Well Put DKB23 You definetly are a great moderator!! It is in everyones best interest in the fishing community to make sure things likes this are not overlooked. We have to protect our fisheries for our future generations. I can tell you had some great input on this before posting this warning good job on doing your homework. Cant wait to share a seat in the boat with you again! Maybe we can even get those boys of yours to join us! Keep up the good work
Yep, seen it last week.
The law is the law and I'm not taking sides but, Snagging carp. Come on. I don't think they are a gamefish, there is four billion of them and I'd almost bet they were released after the fight. Don't know for sure but I'm guessing the snagging accessory is just a jigging spoon. I'm all for conservation and creel limits but I don't see anything wrong with snagging a 30# carp. :twocents
OK Let the :bash begin.
I agree with old goat in regards to the carp. I understand rules are rules also. I have been out with this guide and others that post regularly on this site, and have never seen a guide including him try to keep extra fish. I'm not sure I understand how one would get a ticket for culling fish, unless that guide was set up by client or was being followed around by the officer on the lake. I'm not trying to stick up for him, just trying to understand the situation a little better.
So im guessing w that many tickets you automatically lose your fishing priveleges in Illinois due to amount of points incurred.
CULLING It is illegal to replace a smaller fish held in possession with a larger fish unless: the smaller fish is counted toward the daily limit or released within the confines of a bona-fide catch-and-release fishing tournament which requires the participants to have a boat live well with a pump constantly adding fresh or recirculating water. Once you have 5 10 inch fish in your livewell you cant put in a bigger one and throw one back or you would have to count that as 6 fish. I looked up the regs on snagging and it looks like you can only snag certain times of the year and this isn't the time of year that you can. I'm not sure on the snag regs but that's the way I read it. It may not seem like much about releasing the buffalo or keeping it as there are a lot or them in the lake, but the laws are set up for everywhere and there are people that make there living catching them commercially so we have to respect that.
Good point regarding others that commercially fish. Makes sense why that rule is there now. While one guy catching them like that won't hurt a body of water, if the rule is not enforced and commercial fishermen catch wind they could hurt the body of water by taking too many.
I was wondering the same thing .... Looks like 16 tickets ....what a shame if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmastr1
A shame that he got 16 tickets and would lose his license or a shame that he did so much illegally .Quote:
Originally Posted by BobB
Both
What paper was this in? Just curious
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We used to catch big bufflo carp and common carp at Powerton Lake by casting BPS Strata spoons. They were always hooked in the mouth, not snagged. I have caught the Asian carp on a Pop-R while top water fishing for bass. They too were hooked in the mouth, not snagged.
I have never fished with a guide, do you have to keep each persons catch separate? When duck hunting you have to have your harvest separated for each hunter. Seems it would get confusing with 3 clients and 5 overs and 10 unders unless you had 2 big live wells and a partition in each. Does each person keep their fish on a stringer?
You don't have to keep them separate in Illinois and we never keep our ducks separate either and have been checked by the game warden, but then again we usually don't have that many ducks..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Banjomarsh
Some of the Buffalo that they were catching did bite on a jigging spoon with a piece of ribbon tied to it as a streamer and I have caught them on a crappie jig, but the preferred method was to find a school of them and cast into them and set the hook really hard when they felt one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banjomarsh
Sounds to me like a Conservation officer might have been posing as a client. 9 tickets for taking over the limit of crappie. That tells me the guide caught and kept his limit as well as helped his clients fill their limits.
Sad to see on a shelbyville guide website that he is retiring from guiding. This is plain sad. :pray:(. I pray he has a way to make a buck.
Pretty sad if this is true. Lets be honest 90% of boats on the lake just fish until they have a 2 or 3 man limit and then quit, did it really warrant 9 tickets? Seems like they wanted to prove a point and send a message, no better way than to go after the most high profile guide in the area. In my mind it's a pretty petty offence that most anglers wouldn't bat an eye at and he is going to lose 25 years of growing a business and a his livelihood.........now if he really did keep 9 fish over their limit, well then he earned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by local16
If you agree with the laws or not, they are put in place to protect a resource and need to be followed by everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by chickenguy
I understand that, I just hope the 9 tickets weren't for what you mentioned. Which is undoubtedly a grey area amongst most boats on the water. I'm sure someone will learn the details sooner or later.
This will make all the guides worry. Guarantee there's not a guide that hasn't helped fill a limit.
You guys got me confused. Isnt a guide allowed to fish and catch his limit and give it to the clients iffin he has a license?
Years ago, I fished with him and he took considerable steps to ensure we weren't over the limit. Now, I don't know how many fish we each caught towards the total of all of the limits. I would venture to guess there isn't a guide on that lake or on this board that doesn't catch their limit and keep going until the boat's total is caught.
He can give them his fish,but he can only catch his daily limit not his and his clients also.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilbur
I know for sure that in Missouri, Mark Twain in particular, it is required that each person have a method for keeping track of the fish they caught .... and must stop keeping fish once they have caught their limit.....My brother and I used a guide down there once, and he was VERY particular about tagging each person's fish.........Maybe Illinois is following suite.
It does seem like a conservation officer must have been the client, otherwise I don't know how they could have compiled the evidence for all those citations.
All guides aside you'd be hard pressed to find individuals on the water that quit fishing once they have a limit and wait on their buddy to catch his....on shelbyville Anyone?
I never catch my limit
We know, believe me, we know... but you make up for it with your smoking skills!Quote:
Originally Posted by clfarms1
For sure, that's one way to solve the problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by clfarms1
You don't have to quit fishing, you have to quit KEEPING fish once you get your limit. That's how it is in my boat, I guarantee..Not worth losing my fishing privileges.Quote:
Originally Posted by chickenguy
You're the best
If he plea bargains the charges down to where he is able to keep his license he may end up trying to come down here to Kentucky Lake. He spends a lot of time in the winter months guiding here now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontanaBoy
He has a new job, I don't think he will be down
Ding ding ding! We have a Winner!Quote:
Originally Posted by local16
If I was a guide, and it's my lively hood, I think I would know and abide by the laws