Has anyone else seen this?

The guides I know on Kentucky don't fish. they feel its there job to put there clients on fish not catch them for them.

Guys this is Illinois. Not Missouri. Not Kentucky. This is Illinois. And i guarantee their isn't a guide in this STATE that doesn't help their clients fill their limit and i GUARANTEE more than 75% of crappie anglers in THIS STATE help fill their boat limit. Look at Rend lake for example. Can anyone honestly tell me they (guide or individual) stops keeping their fish when they reach the 10 overs and 15 unders but clients or friends may not have their limit yet? I mean people at rend are not worried about conservation so much that I have been told by several people that for a little extra money they will "get rid of their first boat limit" and go back out for another and yet here we sit bickering about if someone catches a fish towards their boat limit. Get a life guys. End rant.


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Doing what's right when no-ones looking! Some people have it some Don't!

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So, bowbender, you don't help catch your partners limit when you go fishing? And before you answer, you should think REALLY hard about this because more than me know the answer to that one.


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Heck Birdy I can't even catch my own limit you know that! Usually I just set and watch everybody else catch em! The folks I fish with like to catch their own fish!

Keep this in mind everyone. At the top of your forum it says "Americas Friendliest Crappie Community". Just sayin'.

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At the end of the day someone decided they wanted this guys head, be it from complaints, suspicions or prior history and DNR evidently exhausted all resources to get it. Unfortunately it seems to happen to a lot of high profile outdoorsman, be it he guy that shoots all the big bucks, ducks, or catches all the fish eventually they find themselves under investigation, sometimes it's justified and sometimes its from a jealous neighbor and rumors. Better off to just do your thing and leave it off social media, if you fall on their radar they will eventually nail you for something. I've been checked many times with limits of fish and never been asked "how can you distinguish your fish from his" or even "how many did each of you catch". But they wanted him for whatever reason and threw the book at him anyway possible.

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Guys this is Illinois. Not Missouri. Not Kentucky. This is Illinois. And i guarantee their isn't a guide in this STATE that doesn't help their clients fill their limit and i GUARANTEE more than 75% of crappie anglers in THIS STATE help fill their boat limit. Look at Rend lake for example. Can anyone honestly tell me they (guide or individual) stops keeping their fish when they reach the 10 overs and 15 unders but clients or friends may not have their limit yet? I mean people at rend are not worried about conservation so much that I have been told by several people that for a little extra money they will "get rid of their first boat limit" and go back out for another and yet here we sit bickering about if someone catches a fish towards their boat limit. Get a life guys. End rant.

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I think most of us are just trying to figure out why the tickets were issued so we can avoid getting stung for doing it wrong......do you have any insight as to why the tickets were issued?

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I think most of us are just trying to figure out why the tickets were issued so we can avoid getting stung for doing it wrong......do you have any insight as to why the tickets were issued?

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Just a guess that the fish weren't the right length, maybe had correct number of fish but to many didn't measure right for how they were counted

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Just a guess that the fish weren't the right length, maybe had correct number of fish but to many didn't measure right for how they were counted

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Maybe some of the unders were culled for overs?

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Maybe some of the unders were culled for overs?

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Yes OR Had 9 3/4 inch fish counted as overs
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Has anyone ever tested the "shrinkage" phenomena? I read a thread a while back where it was stated that the fish could end up shorter if measured later....especially if thrown on ice.

Another question ..... is if for certain that..... in ILLINOIS.... The only thing that matters is the total number of fish kept ... Not who caught them?

No, you can only legally catch your daily limit. That's why it's called a daily limit

I was told by a game warden that you have to keep your catches separate. if we fisherpersons had integrity like our 2 president candidates we wouldn't ever get tickets.

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No, you can only legally catch your daily limit. That's why it's called a daily limit

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They may be able to solve the deficit shortfall if they start enforcing this .... Sounds like most guides aren't doing it this way.

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I was told by a game warden that you have to keep your catches separate. if we fisherpersons had integrity like our 2 president candidates we wouldn't ever get tickets.

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Just called the dnr, you don't have to keep fish separate in illinois, but once you have your limit you can't keep anymore fish for your buddies or clients.You can still fish, just can't keep them or you can't cull them either

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They may be able to solve the deficit shortfall if they start enforcing this .... Sounds like most guides aren't doing it this way.

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Im curious why you keep saying most "guides" aren't doing it this way? It's very frustrating to me that people are using scapegoats by saying they don't even catch limits or change the subject when asked if they too help catch a boat limit. This is the last I'll post on this thread but think of your integrity and morals real hard (as previously mentioned) because I'm betting their ain't a person in this board (minus local16 apparently) that if the opportunity presented itself would even think they should/legally need to stop keeping fish once their personal limit is reached, but not the boats limit.


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Im curious why you keep saying most "guides" aren't doing it this way? It's very frustrating to me that people are using scapegoats by saying they don't even catch limits or change the subject when asked if they too help catch a boat limit. This is the last I'll post on this thread but think of your integrity and morals real hard (as previously mentioned) because I'm betting their ain't a person in this board (minus local16 apparently) that if the opportunity presented itself would even think they should/legally need to stop keeping fish once their personal limit is reached, but not the boats limit.


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Sorry your taking this so personally.....It's just that the guides and their clients are probably the ones facing this situation the most and will probably be under the most scrutiny by the conservation officers....They have already demonstrated that.

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CULLING It is illegal to replace a smaller fish held in possession with a larger fish unless: the smaller fish is counted toward the daily limit or released within the confines of a bona-fide catch-and-release fishing tournament which requires the participants to have a boat live well with a pump constantly adding fresh or recirculating water. Once you have 5 10 inch fish in your livewell you cant put in a bigger one and throw one back or you would have to count that as 6 fish. I looked up the regs on snagging and it looks like you can only snag certain times of the year and this isn't the time of year that you can. I'm not sure on the snag regs but that's the way I read it. It may not seem like much about releasing the buffalo or keeping it as there are a lot or them in the lake, but the laws are set up for everywhere and there are people that make there living catching them commercially so we have to respect that.

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I jaxsprat do not fully know snagging rules, but have read in Outdoor news where guys on Illinois river have got tickets for snagging Asian Carp out of season, so yes there is a season.

In the interest of privacy and respect to anyone who may be involved I am going to lock this one down. Thanks for everyone's opinions and thanks for the posts. I know I learned a lot myself by what was posted. I know you guys are all passionate about the sport and want to preserve for those to come. Thanks for posting in a respectful way.

Dkb23


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