999 & 859 Waypoint Management - I Need Help

The 999 has been an invaluable tool but I am not. I just tried to manage my waypoints from last week and realized it has been a long time since I managed my waypoints. I have read hundreds of pages of manual but I have slept since then... i can move stored points, crate and save in different folders but figuring out what a particular saved point was is the problem. I need to capture more information when marking the waypoint.
I was looking for advice on starting a short step by step routine that would keep me in front of managing waypoints instead of being behind. Any help from you organized guys would be much appreciated and be saved so I can implement!
A few questions are...

How do you save ALL views at once?
I have shared waypoint enabled on both and they are linked but unless both are on I lose the shared point. How do i keep it on both units?

I don't network so I'll let the guys with more experience in this answer the 1st part about waypoint management with Ethernet ...
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I can answer the last question ...

Waypoints can only be shared over Ethernet with both units powered on ...and "Waypoint Sharing" turned on under the network tab in the Main Menu System ...

Waypoints only physically "reside" in the unit memory of the unit that the waypoint was created on ...

Ethernet allows one unit to "see" the waypoints in the other unit's waypoint library ...and then display the other unit's waypoints in a different color on the Chart View ...
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I'm not sure what your question about saving "all views at once" means ... Can you elaborate ...??

Rickie

If you use HumminbirdPC, you can copy your waypoints into a spreadsheet like Microsoft Excel and organize them and make notes. While in HBPC, I use prefixes to denote the lake and type of waypoint as well as the various waypoint symbols to denote routes, fish habitat, etc. I have a HBPC backup file that organizes each lake by group and then create a separate local file for a specific trip that only has the data for whatever lake(s) I'm fishing.

Forgot to add...some create separate waypoints for bow and console and maintain separate files for each. I do most of my searching from console so majority of my waypoints are created from console and can share them across the network.

Thank you rnvinc and ezfishn for the responses ;none of my buddies have si or 2 units so my lingo is limited and my formingof questions can be a challenge. You guys are my peer group...
Ethernet-Networking; This is my search routine : I generallyscan with the 999 on the console mark a waypoint (blue), drop the trollingmotor , turn on the 859(bow) and wait for the mark to appear(green) up there. Then I scroll to that point on the 859 and mark it upfront. I don't like fishing with both units on (to much noise) so I turn offthe 999 get on the trolling motor, find and fish that waypoint. I do itlike that ensure something is saved on the 859. Is that a good routine?

As far as "saving all views at once" I thought taking a snapshotwould save all data (views) being recorded at that time. IE Everytime you hit the view button the unit scrolls thru all views selected to bevisible in the menu. Such as birdseye view , si , di , splitscreens , navigation and so on... Does a snapshot store ALL this data tobe analyzed later or is there some other way to do it?
I ask because i don't take the time to edit waypoints as I make them. Maybe Ishould...

I have downloaded waypoints and routes to hbpc and have created specificfolders in the past but I don't do it after every trip. Thus lookingat old waypoints on the unit at home, or hbpc for thatmatter, I cant discern exactly what I am looking at; for instance abrushpile in 18 feet of water. When i am sitting on the mark shouldI take a snapshot of the view (screen) that is most descriptive so I knowwhat I am looking at later ???

"Saving all views at once" would be referring to HB recordings ...wherein during "playback" of that recording, you have the same access to all the views and settings to manipulate what the recording playback looks like ...

The only exception to this is the "Imaging Frequency" setting ... which will only record the 455kHz imaging frequency or the 800kHz imaging frequency setting (whichever you have the "Imaging Frequency" set to during the recording) ...
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Snapshots are simply a screen capture of everything showing on the display when you press the "Mark" button (with "Screenshots" enabled under the Accessories tab in the Main Menu System) ...

There is no capability to manipulate or change the snapshot after capture ... The snapshot can be viewed on the unit in the "Snapshot and Recording" view ... Or transferred to your PC for viewing with most any picture viewing software ...
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I think your present scenario of marking a waypoint at the console... viewing that waypoint on the bow unit as a green waypoint ... and then marking another waypoint with the bow unit is a good system for what you're using the units for ...

I would recommend "Exporting" your Nav data and running them thru HBPC occasionally is a good practice ... mainly to have a fairly "up-to-date" backup of your waypoints (in case either unit crashed or needs to be sent to HB) ...

You can view your waypoints in Google Earth right from the HBPC program to help identify where you were when you created that waypoint ...

Unfortunately ...editing waypoint data on the core units is not user friendly (tho it can be done thru the Waypoint Management menu under the Nav tab in the Main Menu System) ...

Creating a snapshot when you create a waypoint could be one way to help you keep up with what waypoint is marked where ... like you mentioned ...

I just keep notes in my phone for later use ... if I need to remember certain things about a waypoint ...

Rickie

Wow ! You covered everything... I appreciate it greatly...
I have to implement recording in my routine and study the recordings I have.
I too feel editing on the unit is to time consuming while fishing.
I have used HBPC in conjunction with Google Earth before and it was awesome but about the time I thought I was good at it we got a tricky pc virus and I haven't downloaded much since we got it reconfigured (over a year ago).
I don't always snapshot the most descriptive screenview for reviewing so I have to keep that in mind also.
I have a tiny flip phone but I guess could get a picture of the best view of the waypoint for back up.
Thank you for putting up with my ignorance and steering me in the right direction. Terry

Thanks again to ezfishn also...

+1 You can also link a photo and/or the snapshot to the waypoint stored in Google Earth or you can also do that in MS Excel. I think if you use Humviewer, it allows you to mark a waypoint and also make a snapshot. I have a spare power cord and ac/dc adapter that I can use to power up the FF and play back recordings or view snapshots at home off the boat so I seldom use Humviewer.

I did humviewer and a few other sites for a while but don't want to spend that much time on it anymore. I, too, made a adapter for home viewing shortly after buying the 999. HBPC, google earth and plugging in the units at home is plenty for me.
I dont know what I did Sunday but when I plugged in the 859 yesterday to work thru the unidentified waypoints it wouldn't let me edit any of them. The popup edit box showed up as light purple and when I toggled over to edit the waypoint number it disappeared. Is that what it does when the waypoint was marked on the other unit?

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Originally Posted by IceNitro

I did humviewer and a few other sites for a while but don't want to spend that much time on it anymore. I, too, made a adapter for home viewing shortly after buying the 999. HBPC, google earth and plugging in the units at home is plenty for me.
I dont know what I did Sunday but when I plugged in the 859 yesterday to work thru the unidentified waypoints it wouldn't let me edit any of them. The popup edit box showed up as light purple and when I toggled over to edit the waypoint number it disappeared. Is that what it does when the waypoint was marked on the other unit?

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This seems odd ...

Did you power the unit on the boat ...or with your adapter in the house ...??

Rickie

Home. I was just looking online and saw this utube video showing what it is doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-5RGGrSBc

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Originally Posted by IceNitro

Home. I was just looking online and saw this utube video showing what it is doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-5RGGrSBc

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I'm not sure ...the video shows only 1 waypoint in his library ...and it was created with a snapshot ...

Is yours also having this issue only when trying to edit a snapshot waypoint ...or when trying to edit regular waypoints also ...??

Rickie

Thanks again ezfishn and Rickie. My new reply on the 859 waypoint editing post sums it up. Not feeling to well right now so I will talk to ya down the road...

ezfishn I am working on describing all my waypoints and creating specific groups and files on my individual units. I went to HBPC this morning and all my individual folders showed up but they were empty.
Oh well I needed to reorganize anyway. All the info is still on the units and cards in them.
Did you say HBPC organizes them automatically?

When you upload your SD card into HBPC, it will create a "SD_YYMMDD.GPX" file that contains your waypoints, tracks, routes, and any grouping that was created on the unit. You can open multiple files at same time. Once the data is uploaded into HBPC along with any other files(optional), you can create a Group by right-clicking on "Groups" and then edit that name to whatever you want to call it (ex. Lake Name). HBPC also allows sub-Groups so under each Group(Lake), you can create a sub-group (ex. Bow, Console, etc.). Once the Groups are created, you can move the applicable Nav data by copying and pasting into the newly named Group from the upper level "Waypoints" location. HBPC won't do any of the organization automatically.

I got ya. I thought you might know a magic auto button that moves it automatically when you upload via gps coor.
I am getting close to having all my waypoints labeled. I have been using snapshots and the map that is shown when you scroll on a waypoint to describe them. My system shows what it (the waypoint) is, how deep it is, general location and lake its on. For example ; BB17 SSW K meaning Big Brush pile in 17 feet of water at Sarge on the South side of the West causeway at Kaw Lake. When I am done I should be able to create files,groups, subgroups etc. at a glance. Terry

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Originally Posted by IceNitro

I got ya. I thought you might know a magic auto button that moves it automatically when you upload via gps coor.
I am getting close to having all my waypoints labeled. I have been using snapshots and the map that is shown when you scroll on a waypoint to describe them. My system shows what it (the waypoint) is, how deep it is, general location and lake its on. For example ; BB17 SSW K meaning Big Brush pile in 17 feet of water at Sarge on the South side of the West causeway at Kaw Lake. When I am done I should be able to create files,groups, subgroups etc. at a glance. Terry

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I think you can click on the "Column Headers" in the right pane and change how those waypoints are listed in that column ...(if I remember correctly) ...

Rickie

I will check it out. Thank you Sir.

here is how I do it...
if I see something I want to mark I will snap shot it
export that snapshot/waypoint to a card
in hbpc I have groups for bodies of water
move the waypoint to the group
change the icon! a tree is a tree icon, etc
name the waypoint, eg deep tree
save local to the pc
save to card
delete all waypoints on the unit
import all waypoints from card

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Originally Posted by matzilla

here is how I do it...
if I see something I want to mark I will snap shot it
export that snapshot/waypoint to a card
in hbpc I have groups for bodies of water
move the waypoint to the group
change the icon! a tree is a tree icon, etc
name the waypoint, eg deep tree
save local to the pc
save to card
delete all waypoints on the unit
import all waypoints from card

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Thanks or the response matzilla ; great routine. I got behind the 8 ball because after editing on hbpc I didn't delete waypoints on the unit before importing from the card. Twice the points , twice the names, twice the confusion. Don't tell anybody I am that dumb though.

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Originally Posted by matzilla

here is how I do it...
if I see something I want to mark I will snap shot it
export that snapshot/waypoint to a card
in hbpc I have groups for bodies of water
move the waypoint to the group
change the icon! a tree is a tree icon, etc
name the waypoint, eg deep tree
save local to the pc
save to card
delete all waypoints on the unit
import all waypoints from card

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IceNitro, I do it about the same as Matzilla, except I want to change all my icons in Waypoint Management on my unit (tree,brush, etc). The reason I do that is so when I scroll over to the waypoint I still get the small thumbnail screen shot, if you change them in HBPC you loose the ability to do that.

When I get the thumbnail I then push "check" button. You will get a dropdown box that says "Chart Info" and "View Snapshot" scroll down to View Snapshot and push right arrow and it will open the SnapShot full screen when you made the waypoint.

You can just leave the camera icon and do the same thing but I like to know its a tree or brush before I stop (some days all the fish are in trees some days brush) so I don't waste as much time looking after I figurer that out.

Friend of mine's home lake is 12,900 acres and he has 3000 waypoints (all a Core Unit will hold) just on the upper end. He has a second card for the lower end.
It makes it real nice to be able to look at what he snap the waypoint on, rocks, tree, brush, and how deep it was at that time.

I wish I had understood the waypoint system better 6 years ago when I started with my 998.

Thank you rdjj71m . Man I have to dig in on this . Changing names helps describe what it is but seeing it at will is better. I will get into it and let you know if I am really following what you are describing .
I change to the descriptive name on the unit but my shots have the original assigned number. I now nothing of thumbnails... I will get back to you...
Terry

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Originally Posted by IceNitro

Thank you rdjj71m . Man I have to dig in on this . Changing names helps describe what it is but seeing it at will is better. I will get into it and let you know if I am really following what you are describing .
I change to the descriptive name on the unit but my shots have the original assigned number. I now nothing of thumbnails... I will get back to you...
Terry

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The thumbnail screenshot will only show on the chart view IF the SD Card that has the actual assigned screenshot is physically in the unit card slot ...

Rickie

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Originally Posted by rdjj71m

IceNitro, I do it about the same as Matzilla, except I want to change all my icons in Waypoint Management on my unit (tree,brush, etc). The reason I do that is so when I scroll over to the waypoint I still get the small thumbnail screen shot, if you change them in HBPC you loose the ability to do that.

When I get the thumbnail I then push "check" button. You will get a dropdown box that says "Chart Info" and "View Snapshot" scroll down to View Snapshot and push right arrow and it will open the SnapShot full screen when you made the waypoint.

You can just leave the camera icon and do the same thing but I like to know its a tree or brush before I stop (some days all the fish are in trees some days brush) so I don't waste as much time looking after I figurer that out.

Friend of mine's home lake is 12,900 acres and he has 3000 waypoints (all a Core Unit will hold) just on the upper end. He has a second card for the lower end.
It makes it real nice to be able to look at what he snap the waypoint on, rocks, tree, brush, and how deep it was at that time.

I wish I had understood the waypoint system better 6 years ago when I started with my 998.

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Just checked out the check button for the first time. All I got was chart info because I deleted all images after I edited all waypoints. My edited waypoint names now give me all info at a glance, but it will be nice seeing that snapshot also. From now on I will stay ahead of the game. Thanks rdjj71m . Terry
By the way, I only edit waypoints on the unit at home.

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Originally Posted by rnvinc

The thumbnail screenshot will only show on the chart view IF the SD Card that has the actual assigned screenshot is physically in the unit card slot ...

Rickie

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Good to know. I look forward to seeing it. Thanks Terry

When I edited waypoint names it didn't automatically transfer to the corresponding snapshots. How do you guys do that? Terry

IceNitro, I have not checked to see if I can change the name in "Waypoint Management" and still see the snapshot. I know I can go on my unit and change it (as stated before in waypoint management "only") to a brush pile "icon" tree "icon" etc. and it works fine. If you change it in HumminbirdPC or any other place on the unit it will not work, and it is GONE forever. As stated it will not work if you remove the snapshot and .dat file.

Sometimes I have lost or deleted a waypoint by mistake. If you made a snapshot and still have it, you can open the .dat file in HummViewer and it will give you the gps coordinates. That is the only way I know you can open the .dat files.

I will see if the name can be changed on my unit and let you know. I have a 998 now and will be installing a 999 in a week or so, I will test that software.

I guess my question should have been ; How do you edit waypoint names and the corresponding snapshot name simultaneously?
I have a memory stick and a file on my pc with all old shots and coors...

IceNitro, the problem is once you change the "icon" or "name" if it was not completed in "Waypoint Management" on your HB Unit (All is LOST). If you have not changed the "camera icon" or "Sxxxxx" number (S = SnapShot) in HumminbirdPC, then you can reinstall the snapshots to an SD card and reinstall in your HB Unit. You then should be able to move the cursor over the waypoint and see the "thumbnail snap" and push "check" and view full screen. Then you can change them.

Changing SnapShot name: You CAN NOT change SnapShot name. When you "Edit" a waypoint in Waypoint Management you can change the name and icon, when you do this the program will note the change in (I assume) the .dat file. You can still see the snapshot when you move your cursor over the waypoint, but the SnapShot file name will not change.

The problem I had was I changed a lot of my waypoints in HumminbirdPC before I know if you did that you would loss the ability to go back and link the SnapShot. When I say a lot I mean 1000-2000.

I agree you can rename and change icon in HumminbirdPC , which is easier than on your unit, but at times I still would like to see what was marked. We have a lot of high water in the spring and last spring we had lakes a 20-30ft over normal. All this water current caused a lot of our waypoint to get washed down lake somewhere. So if I can't find one I go back and see what was it and could it have been washed away.

Hope this helps!

Now I have seen the chart thumbnail snapshot you guys spoke of... Awesome...
Man that's a lot of shots to lose rdjj71m; had to hurt.
Thank you gentlemen for all your help and putting up with my ignorance.
Good fishing to you all... Terry

In my HB file management system on my PC ... I have separate folders for HB Screenshots ...:

*1 folder contains HB screenshots that still have the correct file structure to load back into the HB unit and view on the unit ...

*1 folder contains HB screenshots that I've changed or lost the correct file structure to view on the the unit ... But still have the .PNG screenshot that can be viewed on PC or used in the forums ...

Rickie

I'm at that point now Rickie, it was just a slow learning curve.

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Originally Posted by rdjj71m

IceNitro, the problem is once you change the "icon" or "name" if it was not completed in "Waypoint Management" on your HB Unit (All is LOST). If you have not changed the "camera icon" or "Sxxxxx" number (S = SnapShot) in HumminbirdPC, then you can reinstall the snapshots to an SD card and reinstall in your HB Unit. You then should be able to move the cursor over the waypoint and see the "thumbnail snap" and push "check" and view full screen. Then you can change them.

Changing SnapShot name: You CAN NOT change SnapShot name. When you "Edit" a waypoint in Waypoint Management you can change the name and icon, when you do this the program will note the change in (I assume) the .dat file. You can still see the snapshot when you move your cursor over the waypoint, but the SnapShot file name will not change.

The problem I had was I changed a lot of my waypoints in HumminbirdPC before I know if you did that you would loss the ability to go back and link the SnapShot. When I say a lot I mean 1000-2000.

I agree you can rename and change icon in HumminbirdPC , which is easier than on your unit, but at times I still would like to see what was marked. We have a lot of high water in the spring and last spring we had lakes a 20-30ft over normal. All this water current caused a lot of our waypoint to get washed down lake somewhere. So if I can't find one I go back and see what was it and could it have been washed away.

Hope this helps!

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"Hope this Helps" Hell its killing me ; I am getting brain strain from all the homework. Na ; I appreciate being enlightened even though my light burns dim. I am still digging into the first paragraph...

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Originally Posted by rnvinc

In my HB file management system on my PC ... I have separate folders for HB Screenshots ...:

*1 folder contains HB screenshots that still have the correct file structure to load back into the HB unit and view on the unit ...

*1 folder contains HB screenshots that I've changed or lost the correct file structure to view on the the unit ... But still have the .PNG screenshot that can be viewed on PC or used in the forums ...

Rickie

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Ya talking about HBPC as your "HB file management system on my PC" ?

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Originally Posted by IceNitro

Ya talking about HBPC as your "HB file management system on my PC" ?

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I have a HB folder on my PC desktop that contains all my HB stuff ...

*HBPC Shortcut
*HBPC waypoint backups
*Unit software versions
*Screenshots usable in unit
*Screenshots not usable in unit
*Recordings
*Humviewer shortcut
*Humviewer screenshots

(I have the above file structure for both my 1197 and separately for my Onix) ...

Rickie

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Originally Posted by rnvinc

I have a HB folder on my PC desktop that contains all my HB stuff ...

*HBPC Shortcut
*HBPC waypoint backups
*Unit software versions
*Screenshots usable in unit
*Screenshots not usable in unit
*Recordings
*Humviewer shortcut
*Humviewer screenshots

(I have the above file structure for both my 1197 and separately for my Onix) ...

Rickie

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I got ya.

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Originally Posted by rdjj71m

IceNitro, the problem is once you change the "icon" or "name" if it was not completed in "Waypoint Management" on your HB Unit (All is LOST). If you have not changed the "camera icon" or "Sxxxxx" number (S = SnapShot) in HumminbirdPC, then you can reinstall the snapshots to an SD card and reinstall in your HB Unit. You then should be able to move the cursor over the waypoint and see the "thumbnail snap" and push "check" and view full screen. Then you can change them.

Changing SnapShot name: You CAN NOT change SnapShot name. When you "Edit" a waypoint in Waypoint Management you can change the name and icon, when you do this the program will note the change in (I assume) the .dat file. You can still see the snapshot when you move your cursor over the waypoint, but the SnapShot file name will not change.

The problem I had was I changed a lot of my waypoints in HumminbirdPC before I know if you did that you would loss the ability to go back and link the SnapShot. When I say a lot I mean 1000-2000.

I agree you can rename and change icon in HumminbirdPC , which is easier than on your unit, but at times I still would like to see what was marked. We have a lot of high water in the spring and last spring we had lakes a 20-30ft over normal. All this water current caused a lot of our waypoint to get washed down lake somewhere. So if I can't find one I go back and see what was it and could it have been washed away.

Hope this helps!

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I see.
Edited some on the unit and you can see them with edited info on chart...
You boys teach me things that I implement and use. Very helpful information... Much appreciated; thank you.
Good fishing to you all ; Terry