Satellites--- CUI?

We fished Melvern and Pomona yesterday. After talking to my brother who fished Pomona as well, we came to the conclusion the GPS satellites must have been Circling under the influence.

In my 10 years of experience with GPS systems, handheld Garmin as well as those on my Humminbird Fish Finders, I can never remember them "acting" the way they did on Saturday. They were inacccurate and well as "jumpy".......acted as if they were not even receiving, then as of a sudden would "jump" some 20-25 feet.Brother and I compared notes and had exactly the same issues.

Any body else care to chime in?

The crappie sure didn't seem to mind :)

I was at Pomona yesterday and my GPS would not even work.I thought that there might of been something wrong with my locator.

Rumor is that its people from Nebraska that are hacking our GPS systems and looking for good waypoints....

We where off the water by 10:30 and had no problems with either of the depth finders on my boat. With the major solar flares we have had the last 2 weeks it would not suprise me at all.

On a side note I hope you sprayed your boat down for Zebra Muscles... That stuff scares me right there. I think the days of being able to fish 2 lakes in one day are over...

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Originally Posted by Springhill Duckman

We where off the water by 10:30 and had no problems with either of the depth finders on my boat. With the major solar flares we have had the last 2 weeks it would not suprise me at all.

On a side note I hope you sprayed your boat down for Zebra Muscles... That stuff scares me right there. I think the days of being able to fish 2 lakes in one day are over...

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When was either Pomona or Melvern diagnosed with Zebra Mussels? If it was Perry or El Dorado, then to another I'd fully understand.

Man your scaring me here... I don't want to be a jerk but Every lake in KS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THEY HAVE MUSCLES. They are not found until AFTER they have a reproducing population!!!! This is exactly how they get moved from one lake to another, you can't wait until they tell you it has them your a year late. KDWP has been asking us for 2 years not to do this because this is exactly how they get moved.. If you do go from lake to lake you need to spray your boat down and clorox your livewells. Zebras in Melvern are going to hurt that lake bad.

100% not trying to be jerk just this is the exact example KDWP asked us not to do or to spray down. Just keep a bottle of clorox and spay the inside of your livewells.

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Originally Posted by eatmorfish

We fished Melvern and Pomona yesterday. After talking to my brother who fished Pomona as well, we came to the conclusion the GPS satellites must have been Circling under the influence.

In my 10 years of experience with GPS systems, handheld Garmin as well as those on my Humminbird Fish Finders, I can never remember them "acting" the way they did on Saturday. They were inacccurate and well as "jumpy".......acted as if they were not even receiving, then as of a sudden would "jump" some 20-25 feet.Brother and I compared notes and had exactly the same issues.

Any body else care to chime in?

The crappie sure didn't seem to mind :)

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Go on Youtube and do a search on "Elenin Dwarf Star" The mainstream media wont touch this thing, and when they do it's a "Comet". Only going to get worse around Sept. through Nov. Compare Nasa's Jet Propulsion Labratory orbit to the recent sciesmic activity.

This (italicized text) is directly from KDWP's website.


Preventing Their Spread
Boaters and anglers using El Dorado, Wilson, Marion, Cheney, and Perry reservoirs,Lake Afton or Winfield City Lake (and the rivers and streams that flow out of these impoundments) can prevent the spread of zebra mussels to other Kansas waters by carefully checking their boats and trailers. Any water in the bilges or live wells should be drained before leaving the lake. Mud attached to anchors or ropes should be removed, as should any vegetation on boats or trailers. If someone boats in zebra mussel infested water (El Dorado Reservoir, Walnut River, or Winfield City Lake), they should dry their boat for 5 days or clean it thoroughly with hot water (~140 degrees F). If hot water is not available, a 10% bleach solution can be used to kill any zebra mussels present but special precautions must be taken to properly disposed of the bleach. Bait should not be transported from the waters listed above to another lake. Instead, unused bait should be poured onto dry land. Never release bait into a lake, and don’t take bait from one lake to use in another. Anglers who wade to fish and duck hunters should clean their boots after leaving an infected lake. REMEMBER: it is against both state and federal law to release zebra mussels. Make sure you do not have zebra mussels or water from zebra mussel infested water with your equipment.

I read it several times and did not see Melvern or Pomona on the list. It did not take your ass chewing to convince me we do not want to see zebra mussels spread to all our waterways. I too have read all about the troubles they and all exotic species cause. But that being said, if KDWP fails to say ALL PUBLIC WATERS it's clear to me they must not be as concerned as you. It seems to me KDWP has done a pretty good job with our impoundments for the many decades they have been around. Apparently you know more than they.

zebra mussels have only been in Kansas 9 years and so far I think infected 9 lakes and their rivers below them. I dont think he was chewing your ass, he is just concerned about how bad these things are. The economical impact is going to be far reaching once they reach all of the Kansas waters. Being proactive is better then being reactive.

I agree with Duckman on this one. I'm new to the area and have heard about Perry reservoir, however, I went there earlier this Spring fished from shore tagging the crappie. When I went to the fish cleaning station, there were 2 guys from Topeka cleaning fish. I asked them how long the zebra mussels have been in the lake and they had no clue what I was talking about. That to me is scary and it shows that even though 98% might understand the impact of the invasive species, there will be 2% that are clueless and will help spread them to the next lake. It doesn't hurt to over-communicate or take extra precaution when travelling between 2 lakes and I have a lot of repspect for KDWP but they have limited resources and can make mistakes too. (White Perch being stocked by accident is a good example that comes to mind).

Guys, I'm sorry but there's been no fouls committed here. We can all nit-pick each other to death on this, the jig purists blame the the minnow dippers, the walleye guys blame the bass boys and so on. The simple truth be known, it needs to be taken out of KDWP's hands and laws like California has done to stop the spread (thats LAWS). We need to go to the seal system, and it's going to double if not triple the costs of various permits/licenses. That will entail gatekeepers with wash down systems, no early-bird specials, night fishing will probably suffer most, along with other things my fat fingers don't want to type. So keep bitchun' and blaming, it doesn't help a dang thing. I've seen bigger wastes lately of natural resources, go look at all the dead fish in Milfords outlet, you could fill a couple semi's with the walleye alone. Where's the Nebraskans when you need them. BEWARE it's going to be even more expensive than now, this is a freakin' mess, whose gonna clean it up? Or pay for it to be done- YOU are!! Pour on the gravy, just stop the blame-game because we're ALL guilty!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by crappiedoc

Guys, I'm sorry but there's been no fouls committed here. We can all nit-pick each other to death on this, the jig purists blame the the minnow dippers, the walleye guys blame the bass boys and so on. The simple truth be known, it needs to be taken out of KDWP's hands and laws like California has done to stop the spread (thats LAWS). We need to go to the seal system, and it's going to double if not triple the costs of various permits/licenses. That will entail gatekeepers with wash down systems, no early-bird specials, night fishing will probably suffer most, along with other things my fat fingers don't want to type. So keep bitchun' and blaming, it doesn't help a dang thing. I've seen bigger wastes lately of natural resources, go look at all the dead fish in Milfords outlet, you could fill a couple semi's with the walleye alone. Where's the Nebraskans when you need them. BEWARE it's going to be even more expensive than now, this is a freakin' mess, whose gonna clean it up? Or pay for it to be done- YOU are!! Pour on the gravy, just stop the blame-game because we're ALL guilty!!!!!!!!

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You are right. No laws broken but Duck is right in that we should do everything possible we can do help prevent the spread. It can't hurt and I don't think Duck was chewing any butt...just pointing out that we should all think twice when moving lakes.

Its kinda funny though that you tell him to quit complaining about a lake he is concerned about. Like eatmorefish the Neb guys you complain about aren't breaking any rules. You are just upset that the pressure is going to make Glen suffer. It all comes down to a lake you care about so you are going be more passionate about the topic.

I sent this one to the blogs.

well back to the subject of the thread for a second, i fished with bugman on saturday and his handheld gps was off about 3 inche's:D

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Originally Posted by Springhill Duckman

Man your scaring me here... I don't want to be a jerk but Every lake in KS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THEY HAVE MUSCLES. They are not found until AFTER they have a reproducing population!!!! This is exactly how they get moved from one lake to another, you can't wait until they tell you it has them your a year late. KDWP has been asking us for 2 years not to do this because this is exactly how they get moved.. If you do go from lake to lake you need to spray your boat down and clorox your livewells. Zebras in Melvern are going to hurt that lake bad.

100% not trying to be jerk just this is the exact example KDWP asked us not to do or to spray down. Just keep a bottle of clorox and spay the inside of your livewells.

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Good post. Well said. Thumbs Up

Guys, Not tring to be a bad guy and I am sorry if you think I was after you. I think it just really really really scary that people still don't get this is how they got form Cheney to El Darado... Sucks this type of things isn't more understood. Not saying you are a bad guy just that be carefull this is how it happens. We don't do it any more but I guess I am only one guy. Your welcome to do what ever you want but all it takes is one boat to mess up a whole lake forever...

I have to agree with the thought if you go from one lake to another you should treat your boat. KDWP is taking a very calm approach with these things I personally believe that with in another 15 years we will be luck if there is one lake in Kansas that doesn't have a recorded population of zebra mussels. Colorado on the other hand is on the offense requiring inspection before launching boats at least at certain lakes and all boats that come from out of state must be inspected

I had the same issue on Melvern the first weekend in June, I was down there from friday to sunday and the GPS would not work right at all. I thought it was my unit but it worked the next time out when I was on the another lake. Glad to hear others are having the same issue and its not my unit going bad. On a side note I wonder why we are having issues.

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Originally Posted by Postman

I agree with Duckman on this one. I'm new to the area and have heard about Perry reservoir, however, I went there earlier this Spring fished from shore tagging the crappie. When I went to the fish cleaning station, there were 2 guys from Topeka cleaning fish. I asked them how long the zebra mussels have been in the lake and they had no clue what I was talking about. That to me is scary and it shows that even though 98% might understand the impact of the invasive species, there will be 2% that are clueless and will help spread them to the next lake. It doesn't hurt to over-communicate or take extra precaution when travelling between 2 lakes and I have a lot of repspect for KDWP but they have limited resources and can make mistakes too. (White Perch being stocked by accident is a good example that comes to mind).

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This invasive species is a problem no one person can cure it. You can have the gate keeper clean you boat with a wash down but you still can't get everything. Bleach? Keep it away from my boat! Hot water? YES! But remember, it's not only the boats or bunks but the hubs and trucks, drift socks, nets, ect. Some lakes try to check boats and spray one squirt of water/bleach in the live wells and props and will ask you where you were last but that isn't going to get it. Just like a creel limit, you have to educate yourself on what waters have them and how you should clean your stuff.

I fish a lot of waters and yes, it’s hard to remember who, what, when and where. We don’t want to point fingers but help each other control this invasive species. We also must remember that the birds will also have an effect in transportation. Read up on pelicans…

Just my two cents worth…

And yes, my GPS did mess up on Sunday... Who would of thought?

Shane,

I hate to keep beating a dead horse on the zebra mussels topic. But, over the last couple years the guys at the gate at Coffey County have claimed that they are going to start requiring fisherman to drain livewells before they leave the lake. My problem with this is that they have said to me several times that they have no plans to put in a fish cleaning station. I'm not saying I can't clean fish without a station, but if they will not allow people to leave with fish in their livewell, it just seems that the logical thing to do is to put in some kind of fish cleaning station. My question, if someone were to take their boat home and drain it in their driveway after they clean their fish, what are the chances of zebra mussels going from the driveway into a river/lake system?

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Originally Posted by Springhill Duckman

On a side note I hope you sprayed your boat down for Zebra Muscles... That stuff scares me right there. I think the days of being able to fish 2 lakes in one day are over...

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I have to agree 100%. The spread of invasive species is getting out of hand and a good percentage of this spread is caused by careless boaters/fishermen. As I stated in an earlier post, it is not about what is "legal" or what is "breaking the law", it is about a collective effort and common sense.
We all want to be able to fish our "home" waters with some level of success, once an invasive species is introduced and populates, our fishery will rapidly decline, just like those that have been invaded previously. Once the invasion occurs every swinging dick that ever fished that impoundment will be crying bloody murder because somehow their lake became infected and it obviously was not their fault, it was someone else's fault.

We all need to take precautions when we fish two lakes in the same day! I live 9 miles from Pomona lake but normally fish Melvern. I have on occasion went from one lake to the other in the same day or next day. I always clean my boat and trailer as well as my livewell before putting in at the next lake. Hells bells I went to Milford (which is known to have zebra mussels) and wanted to go to pomona two days later and did not go simply because my bunks were still wet and my livewells still had residual water in them. I did not have access to hot water or bleach at that time so I did not put my boat in Pomona.

After all is said and done it is about responsibility. No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. No one wants to think the rules apply to them because they choose to interpret the rules to fit their own situation. It is the guy who thinks littering is bad but just this once I am going to throw my beer can out because I don't want to get caught with it if I get pulled over. Yes I am talking about the guy who thinks the rules are for everyone else but do not apply to them because of their "particular situation at that time". It is the same thing with the whole bait issue or washing you boat before you put it in another body of water. If you do not have the resources or ability to properly clean the boat then you must stay out of the water for at LEAST 5 days according to the KDWP regulations.

It just seems common sense to me that we ALL take precautions to at least do our part in preventing the spread of invasive species. It is not and ass chewing, it is someone concerned with the prosperity of the waters in which we all fish.

Take this with a grain of salt. It is just my opinion and as far as I know it is still legal to provide opinions,,,,,


Keith

I think there is a lot of truth in what you said there, Keith. Good food for thought.

To whoever said they were worried about the bleach water on their boat... My boat gets hosed down with it all the time over at Wabaunsee because that's just how they do it over there. They get a little crazy in the Kansas wind and often get bleach water on the carpet, the cover, and all sorts of places that couldn't possibly contain zebra mussels especially since the boat has been parked in the driveway... Fortunately all that stuff is synthetic and despite the frequent bleachings, I have not seen any damage whatsoever. All the metal parts of the boat and trailer go in the lake right away, so it gets rinsed off and I don't have to worry about any corrosion problems from the bleach on the metal either. So just saying, the bleach water isn't really that big of a deal.

On topic my GPS does this from time to time where it will not pick up a signal or it will be way off on the map. It has happened at Melvern and Clinton. Maybe someone around here is testing some type of GPS distortion weapon???

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Originally Posted by HairyVetch

On topic my GPS does this from time to time where it will not pick up a signal or it will be way off on the map. It has happened at Melvern and Clinton. Maybe someone around here is testing some type of GPS distortion weapon???

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Maybe it's the fish. Sure, it would be difficult to build an electronic device underwater, without opposable thumbs, but... just maybe........ Rofl