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G3 was right. I had been fishing my double jig set up with the top hook being tied with a palamore knot and the bottom jig tied with a loop knot. Well I decided to give the old man's idea of using loop knots for both jigs a try. The plastic minnow still hung horizontal and the bottom jig still had great action.
Listen to G3 folks. Use two loop knots on your double rig setups. This here old dog ain't too old to learn another trick or two.
Careful ship..........this will give G3 a big head
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hey ship you shouldnt posted g3 being right!!!! Now hes gonna get a case of the big head...Now his melon is gonna be 2x times its size lol!!!!!!!!
naw....no big head here. I try every method and technique that I hear or read about. Experiance has shown me that your jigs have more action with a loop knot......works best for me anyway. Now go catch some fish dadgummit! :)
Ever since I read about using two loop knots that's what I been using. Not real sure about the difference in the action...but it makes sense works for me.;):)
That is ok. In Texas they make 20 gallon hats too. You will have to get him one. This time he was right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob # 1
Hey Ship....If I had a green light I could check my head every now and then, Lol. :D
Gentlemen, in a couple week I hope to have some thing that will change double jigs forever! Oh and Snake has seen the sneak peak :) it's my dream idea just gotta get out of stinking Vegas so I can work on it!
Bob sells them at a descent price. He is a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by G3 Fisherman
Interesting.....can't wait to hear or see more about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MO QWACK
Ship.....here is what I do......I pre tie all my rigs and I put a barrel swivel at the top. I have a swivel with a snap on my line....I can change rigs out quickly and easily. I take swimming pool noodles and cut them into 12 in. lengths. I can store about 8 complete rigs on each one. A rubber band keeps each one in place. So I can change to different color or different weight rigs easily. and if I decide to quit spider rigging and start pulling crankbaits....just unsnap the rig and go for it. I have rigs for live minnows also. Man those swimming pool noodles are handy. A piece of noodle pulled over the handle of your landing net will prevent it from sinking if it falls out of the boat....lots of uses.
we have been using to jigs with loop not for over 40 years. I lurked this method when I was a teenager and we've been fishing that way ever cents. I've heard so much Pro one: on fishing jigs with a blood not or tight not but you'll get more action with the loop. Sometimes we pre-rigged these like g3 we usually use a snap and snap into a barrel swivel on my mainline but the hundred percent of the time I usually mainline both jigs. I use nothing but 4 pound test in have caught 10 pound fish. Just take it easy, especially if you got a nice 3 pound crappie you want to really take it easy.
Dadgummitall David we think alike almost. Yesterday after I discovered the double loop knot jig rig worked as well as was easy to rig up, I took a noodle and cut it into 1 inch strips. I made six of them. I made up the double jig rig with a snap swivel on the end. On the slip float rod the line ends with a barrel swivel. Connect the two when you want to fish. I store the noodle sections in a tuperware container in the tackle box which really is a tool box for my tools of the trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by G3 Fisherman
I do not even know how to tie a loop knot so I have always used I think what they call a blood knot I am not really sure. I have caught lots of crappie so I guess it never occurred to me that it made much of a difference at all. If the fish were biting I usually caught them regardless of my knot. Maybe I need a loop tutorial to experiment with. Are there any youtube videos that show how to tie different knots. That might be a good project for someone who is good with knots.
A loop knot is basically a double overhand knot. Put your jig on the line first. Here is a sticky with the diagram. It will take you all of 10 seconds to learn how to tie it.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieseeker
http://www.crappie.com/crappie/main-...beginners.html
I'll guarantee that you will increase your catch by using the loop knot . It has been proven many times over and I highly recommend it to anyone that fish a jig like I said before I have been fishing this way we jigs ever since I was a teenager . It was taught to me by a very professional crappie fishermen I considered him number one. This guy was something else he used a eight to have foot fly rod with monofilament line. I could say one thing that he was definitely knows his stuff about fishing with a jig. Remembering back to them when we only had marabou jigs. They were not Chanel body. They were only marabou tied on behind the head which we called a dull fly at that time. We had three basic colors white, black, yellow, that's all there was 99% of the time. We used white. There is something about those old jigs that definitely caught fish. I have probably caught thousands of crappie on them . Mostly a 1/32oz. This is when there were no plastics at all . Do you remember the first plastic skirt that come out did you know that I was one of the first ones to field test them. These were Canyon skirt jigs now you know the rest of the story . Which are still ranked number one with many other crappie fishermen today.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieseeker
Snake I have been using plastics since I was a kid and I started out pond fishing with hair jigs and jigs like the jellyjig. I never kept up with the particular names of them back then so I am not familiar with the name canyon skirt jigs. As far as the loop knot goes I will try it one day in the future but from my past experiences they either bit the 2 jig set up or they did not, the knot did not seem to have an impact as far as I could tell. However when I get back into fishing I will be experimenting with it. I am always open to learning new things or trying different techniques, because I do know when it comes to crappie sometimes the little things count big.
the next time you go fishing. I want you to experiment tied Aggie jig on tight line in the other one put in a loop and look at both of them in the water. What happens. Yes, I would imagine there are many, many people did fish with the jig and you say blood not but this is definitely not the way to fishery jig in my way of thinking your jig has more freedom in a loop to wiggle and jiggle all over the place if you put a blood not only jig head. Your only gonna get up-and-down action. It is not going to move freely I would assume that 99% of the people out there. Our fishing blood knobs and not with a loop if they just read this one simple or take this one little simple trick and try it I'll guarantee that they will never go back to using a blood not at all. I bet you a ship told you how long that he's been fishing jigs. This way you might be surprised I'm wondering how many other guys on here use the loop method is here guys. I want to hear the way the you tie a jig on your line.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieseeker
Snake, my only thinking is this, I have found many times that just the tail action is what causes a strike. Sometimes less is more when it comes to action, especially when the fish are in a bad mood lol. A tighter knot means less action sort of speak and my tail action I can apply with the rod tip if needed and sometimes the way jigs are made the tail has action just by the flow of the water. A friend of mine I use to fish with used a loop knot, seems like I generally caught more crappie than him but he caught more bass than I did. So I wonder if it all depends on how active or spookish the fish are whether the loop know is better. I can see times when more action might be best but I can see times when less action is best. But I will learn that knot and from now on I will try both knots and let the fish decide. That is if I ever get to go fishing again. I hope all my friends here are not under the weather like I am, I have been sick for a while now and cant seem to get over it. Snake if you ever get down this way we will have to go fishing together. I will let you show me all your goodies, you probably got stuff I never seen before.
I will definitely stop by. If I ever get down your way for sure. Sometimes my brother out fishes me. He uses a blood not all the time. A lot of times I will out fish, ham with the loop not I think you're right on the tail action. I think it helps with the loop not to give them more action. I think sometimes you have to slow down or speed up depends on the feeding frenzy and how those fish are feeding I think you know that is you will slow or speed up on your retrieve and with a slight tip action one way or the other to find out how they are striking your bait that day, every day is different with the fish I have never fish for crappie one single time. They always seem to hit differently every time there's some little twitch her little drop or something that they definitely want the for they strike over 40 some years of fishing for them, and I still do not know all the tricks I only know one thing. If the crappie are there. I will find out I have a simple rule when I go after them. 25 to 50 cast no fish probably not late enough fishing for them or they are not there or I deftly have not filed out the way they are hitting that day. Sometimes it takes move down the lake or reservoir . Another little trick I found out is if I see a small kid fishing and catching fish. I will throw the kid in the water and start fishing just kidding of course. But that is a good way of finding out if something simple layers not doing anything at all. And that's what it takes. Have you ever thrown a jig in the water and not even touched it in the fish would strike it they would get as the jig was falling. Most of the time viewer post to fish exactly that way, and retrieve it after it goes to the bottom not me. I have a bad habit of retrieving right away. Sometimes I will count to 25 or so but usually my cast are long but I'm completely different type of fishermen than you've ever seen. You will find that out when you fish with me I may sit there for an hour watching you see if I can learn any new tricks usually after that much time. If you have not caught a fish. I will start fishing and just pulling your leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieseeker
yes snake, I have caught crappie that were seemingly right on the top of the water. Sometimes as soon as my jig hits the water it gets nailed before it falls more than a foot. Sometimes I will be fishing a float n jig and they will just hit it by it just sitting out in the water. You never know about those crappie. It is something different at different times. I totally agree with you on them being there or not. Usually if they are there and biting I will know it fairly quickly. I always tell people that you can not catch fish if they are not there. Sometimes when the water is extremely cold they might be there and not bite til the water warms a little, but like you said, most of the time you will catch something if they are there.
for many years. I finished in Tidewater where the tide fluctuated the river very strange. The fishing conditions. I've caught a lot of facial and outgoing tides when the river was flowing more so based you probably know when the tide is coming in. You had no current at all. Don't know if you've ever finished in a river that was controlled by Tidewater also in the rivers the crappie would hit either early morning or late afternoon just before the sun went down. This is happen for many many years when I was fishing in the Portland, Oregon area before they put the last damn in the Columbia River. We had high water in the spring, which was very good it made more spawning beds in the crappie love to get up into the trees and grass in feed IE used to fish by a big culvert pipe that flooded back into a lagoon. Well although trash fish went in there and spawned during the spring, and high waters when the tide went out. It shot the water back out the pipe and all the crappie would come in to feed because the minnow would be coming out there by the zillions they would not hit jigs we caught most of the fish on cut bait. Very funny about use and crappie for bait . It is one of the deadliest things that you could use on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieseeker
I have never crappie fished water controlled by ocean tides. However I fish rivers that are controlled by dams. Most of the time the water atleast has to be moving in one direction or the other for me to catch fish. If it is at a stand still or moving too fast then I generally do not do well. If it is moving slowly or average I catch them. I usually have better luck with the water going out but on a few occasions incoming water was extremely productive. Speaking of a culvert, there is an area that use to be one of my favorite spots where they pump water into the fields for duck hunting and then late winter early spring they pump it back out into the main river. I use to limit out and catch anywhere from 30 to 100 crappie on a regular basis. However they added another culvert and filled in the area some and it is nowhere near as productive. It has also become to popular of a place now and so many people fish it that it is not worth tha hassle. Use to be a great place though.
where I told you that pipe was in the water used to come flowing and blowing out there used to be 35 to 40 people shoulder to shoulder fishing for crappie you talk about a madhouse. It was a lot of fun especially when three or four of us would get tangled up in we had fish it was a real home. Dinner but everybody had a lot of fun catching fish. I can remember several occasions that me and my friend filled. A small washtub. The type like you used to take your kids and give them a bath them. I bet you there was a good hundred and 40 pounds of fish inside that Taub I would laugh at the people trying to drag it up that steep bank, the fish would be sliding all over the place, those were the good days I couldn't tell you how many fish were in that Taub I haven't got a clue what I know there was a least 4 or 5 gallon buckets in that Taub in these fish were not big they were like 6 to 8 inch fish so it took a ton of them to feel that Taub.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieseeker