HB Greg & tommyboyrn

Here is a couple of pictures of my 777c2 taken today..I finally got the jig to show up but it seems that a lot of clutter did also....I had to go to the 200khz only & a 17 setting on sensitivity to get a clear picture..I tried everything.. With all this clutter on the screen it is impossible for me to determine what is brush and what isn't..Do you have any idea what all this clutter is?

The Eagle 480 was much more defined and you could actually see a fish come up after the jig or come up and look and then go back down....You would think the newer technology would at least be as good.Attachment 48134.Attachment 48133

I haven't been out yet to check mine since I upgraded. I'm hoping to go out Monday morning. Before the upgrade< my sensitivity was set that high, but even then its didn't have that much clutter. I will post pics when I go out.

does it have that much clutter using the 200/83?
were you able to see the jig using the 200/83 sonar beam, or just the 200?

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does it have that much clutter using the 200/83?
were you able to see the jig using the 200/83 sonar beam, or just the 200?

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The only way I could see the jig was with the 200khz beam, in Switchfire Max Mode & Sensitivity on 17..If I bumped the Sens down to 16 the jig color would be so faint that I could barely see it..

I could not see the jig with the 200/83 beam regardless of sensitivity or switchfire mode..

Maybe Greg can help us out..

I get the same results when I use the Switchfire Max Mode :( I have not been able to figure out how to use it :confused: But in Clear Mode with sens turned up to about 15 I can see a jig. But I think I'm using different colors than you, mine shows up as a thin green line. Not nears as thick as yours.
But I tried to get a full fish arce on the 777 friday and could not :mad: I could get about half at best, But I know it can be done because I turned right around and done it with the 1197. I think I even have some snapshots (I just remembered :p). I will power up and see.

OK, I have found something new by reading the manual again...:D

The pictures above are once again in the 200khz beam, Switchfire Max Mode & sens on 17..

I found out that you can set the 83khz sensitive setting without affecting the 17 setting on the 200khz beam.. My 83khz setting is 0 now which is the factory default...

The next time out I will set the beam setting at 200/83, the switchfire to Clear Mode and increase the 83khz setting from 0 to +10 in steps to see if this helps....It is strange that the 83khz sens setting is from -10 to +10 with 0 in the center which is factory default..The 200khz setting is from 0 to 20..:confused::confused::confused:

I sure hope this helps..

Alan, I will also try the other color palets to see if this helps..

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OK, I have found something new by reading the manual again...:D

The pictures above are once again in the 200khz beam, Switchfire Max Mode & sens on 17..

I found out that you can set the 83khz sensitive setting without affecting the 17 setting on the 200khz beam.. My 83khz setting is 0 now which is the factory default...

The next time out I will set the beam setting at 200/83, the switchfire to Clear Mode and increase the 83khz setting from 0 to +10 in steps to see if this helps....It is strange that the 83khz sens setting is from -10 to +10 with 0 in the center which is factory default..The 200khz setting is from 0 to 20..:confused::confused::confused:

I sure hope this helps..

Alan, I will also try the other color palets to see if this helps..

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Not sure color will help?? What did you do to get the jig showing so big?? Even when I zoom in it don't look that big :confused:

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Not sure color will help?? What did you do to get the jig showing so big?? Even when I zoom in it don't look that big :confused:

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Nothing other than the settings that I posted above..As big as it is I can reduce the sensitivity by 1 or 2 and it will fade out..

when I attempted to adjust my settings so that I would see the jig, I was not seeing much on the main screen. I read the manual and when using the RTS window (mine set in narrow) the RTS window shows only the 200 beam, so I would drop it under the transducer and bounce it and would barely see it on the main screen but would see it on the RTS window. I would adjust sensitivity until I was able to see a solid line and then I backed off till I could intermittently see it.
BUT.......that was before the upgrade so we will see how it goes tomorrow and will let yall know if any difference.

im just glad its not only me having these issues. you would think as much as these things cost, we wouldn't be having this much trouble out of them.
tom

Hey Don G and HB greg,

I just poseted on the other thread my settings and findings from today. In my pics of switchfire max mode I didn't have ANY clutter, no thermocline, no "plankton" no nothing like the website, nor the videos about switchfire on youtube.
Is there a way to totally get back to BEFORE I upgraded, totally take switchfire off the menu and then re-upgrade? this is getting frustrating.
Don g, I was using the 200/83 beam, dropping jig right under trolling motor in 22 fow to get tracing. Started with sensitivity bout 18 then slowly decreasing till bout 12-13.
I wonder if my pics were different because I didnt upgrade correctly or it didnt install correctly.......
Dont know, but if it didnt cost so much I would trash it and get something different
tom

Tom,
I sent a reply to your PM about loading an older version of sioftware into your 777c2 unit.

Don,
Thanks for the call last night and the info.
Hopefully by the end of the week we can get this stuff worked out
Tom

Don G and HumminbirdGreg
I loaded the older software onto my unit and then reloaded the newer version, everything seem to do well. Entered my settings, and off to the local lake today to use the transom transducer the see if the trolling motor transducer is the culprit. well BOTH TRANSDUCERS GAVE SIMILAR IMAGES.:confused:
I dont know what the problem is. Only thing else is the toggle switch connecting the 2 transducers together, but surely that would not affect the images that bad on both transducers.
I am gonna buy a dual beam trolling motor transducer just to make sure it is not the quad beam that is on TM now being the culprit, but now I am back to thinking it the unit itself.
Im kinda miffed that I paid the $$$ and something within my setup is causing it not to work properly:mad:. As I said, I used 2 different transducers today (front and back) with similar images.
HELP ME. Im wanting to smash it with a hammer :)
Here are my settings from today:
Sensitivity: 17-20
Upper level: 0
Lower Level:30ft
Chart Speed: anywhere from 7-ultra
Surface clutter: 1
83hz sens: 5
noise filter: medium
Max Depth:75ft
Here are the images:
Clear mode
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Max Mode
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Max mode,max sens, ultra chart spd
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max mode using transom trnsdcr
Attachment 48499
Anyone got any ideas???????
Tom

I don't know but you have a problem or that's some of the clearest water I ever seen. I'm headed out to the lake today I will take some time and some pictures of mine, with settings.

Wish I lived nearby, You could pop my 778C on your mount and know for sure if it's the head unit. My 778C gives excellent pictures and details. If I get out tomorrow, I'll try and get some pictures.

thanks guys, I would appreciate it
Tom

Tom,
The best way to know for sure where the problem is would be to test your unit on someone else’s boat that has a Humminbird transducer. This can be any of the DualBeam, QuadraBeam or even a Side Imaging unit (but not the 981/987 units).

If you cannot test on someone else’s boat than you should remove the Transducer Switch and plug one of the transducers directly into the unit and test it again to see if you get the same results just to eliminate the switch as a possible source of the problem. If there is a connection issue in the switch it could lead to what looks like reduced sensitivity.

As a last resort you could call the Humminbird Customer Resource folks at 1-800-633-1468 and set it all up to send in your unit and transducers to be tested; but it would be best to try and eliminate what works correctly on your end first if possible.

Maybe a dumb question seeing as I never used a 777, but U say u using a Quad transducer Hmnn? do u have it selected as the operating ducer, on 997 u have to go in menu & select which ducer u using............ & I would toss the switch til u get to the bottom of things.

Will do and thanks for the information. Will recheck settings and try without switch and see what gives
tom

jaxsprat,
That should not make any difference because the problem he has is with the 200/83kHz standard sonar which is the same whether the Transducer select menu is set to the DualBeam or QuadBeam setting.

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jaxsprat,
That should not make any difference because the problem he has is with the 200/83kHz standard sonar which is the same whether the Transducer select menu is set to the DualBeam or QuadBeam setting.

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OK tanks for info I will be quiet.......:D

no way jaxsprat, I appreciate all tips and trick :)

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OK tanks for info I will be quiet.......:D

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jaxsprat,
No you shouldn’t be quite! You were trying to help a fellow Crappie.com member and that’s what we all should be doing. I didn’t mean to sound harsh or anything: I just didn’t want Tommy to waste any gas by testing this when I knew it would make no difference was all. When we get it all figured out and his set up is working right than he will need to make sure that the Transducer Select menu is on the QuadBeam setting if he wants to see sonar returns from those two additional sideways-and-downwards pointing transducer beams.

Greg, I posted some info and pics on the other thread. if you could, please read and lend me some helpful advice
Many thanks
Tom