Is HB paying employees to post this stuff?

Noticed on every board I can find online, that either HB sponsored pros or employees are posting this information about the Patent and Lawsuits.

There's a lot of ridiculous information being put out. And most of the, as cane pole would call them "Turd Pluggers" on BBC actually believe that HB patented Side scan imaging. The Main man Doug V did the same posts had Joby did here.

What does this crap have to do with: 1. the units themselves. 2. US 3. fishing 4. Anything that actually matters to a fisherman?

If I see it on CNN or FOXNEWS then I might think something of it. Is the point of this to get the focus off of how good the lowrance units appear to work, or how great the screen shots are? Since there's a HB pro on BBC, they had to split the forums. I bet HB didn't tell JOBY and all their people to post this for everyone to see, at least not without giving them a bonus for the amount of posts they can do.

Frankly, in my opinion, it make HB look like a big spoiled kid, making a feable attempt to draw the focus off what really matters, the product.

In case anyone on here believes that HB invented side scan imaging, here's a link to the truth. Enjoy.

Side Scan Sonar

Why get all worked up about two corporations duking it out ? I would think the vast majority here think that Greg and Joby posting here has helped us all.

Not taking sides either way. But I would like to see Lowrance's employees helping out on sites all over the web. Wether they pay them or not is immaterial to me.

Lowrance's customer service has taken a turn for the worse. Is not my opinion but just what I read all over the web. At one time they known for stellar customer service. For what top of the line units cost now days. I want to be sure of getting help if I need it.

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Originally Posted by mduncan62

Noticed on every board I can find online, that either HB sponsored pros or employees are posting this information about the Patent and Lawsuits.

There's a lot of ridiculous information being put out. And most of the, as cane pole would call them "Turd Pluggers" on BBC actually believe that HB patented Side scan imaging. The Main man Doug V did the same posts had Joby did here.

What does this crap have to do with: 1. the units themselves. 2. US 3. fishing 4. Anything that actually matters to a fisherman?

If I see it on CNN or FOXNEWS then I might think something of it. Is the point of this to get the focus off of how good the lowrance units appear to work, or how great the screen shots are? Since there's a HB pro on BBC, they had to split the forums. I bet HB didn't tell JOBY and all their people to post this for everyone to see, at least not without giving them a bonus for the amount of posts they can do.

Frankly, in my opinion, it make HB look like a big spoiled kid, making a feable attempt to draw the focus off what really matters, the product.

In case anyone on here believes that HB invented side scan imaging, here's a link to the truth. Enjoy.

Side Scan Sonar

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Only a few people can answer that one.

My hat does go off to those guys for what they do here and on other boards. They sometimes take some crap but seem to wade through it. Can't really put a $ figure on how they help and share info with board members, but for some its gotta be near priceless.

But what HB is doing???? FUD...

Well with all the help Humminbird employee's do on various sites, I'll give them a free pass for the lawsuit news release. I'd guess Lowrance has the same opportunity, to have someone monitor the forums and offer help. They didn't choose to. You snooze, you lose.

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Originally Posted by hays47

Why get all worked up about two corporations duking it out ? I would think the vast majority here think that Greg and Joby posting here has helped us all.

Not taking sides either way. But I would like to see Lowrance's employees helping out on sites all over the web. Wether they pay them or not is immaterial to me.

Lowrance's customer service has taken a turn for the worse. Is not my opinion but just what I read all over the web. At one time they known for stellar customer service. For what top of the line units cost now days. I want to be sure of getting help if I need it.

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I have appreciated that there are HB folks available to answer questions about their products. Lowrance has the same opportunity. I basically have switched to HB for their reputation for service as much as for their new technologies. HB was the first to market SI for popular consumption, and if they feel someone has stolen their patented technologies, they should seek relief in the courts. I also appreciate being able to upgrade my units without having to buy the a new model.

I should have stated in my post, that yes, they are helpful to people with how to operate the units, etc. Usually have good info. I do appreciate that.

HB guys have my vote. I appreciate any and all help they can give us. I see no other mfg. posting any responses to any of our questions, problems, etc. The only time I have seen one, is thier promotion of a product. Thanks Gregg and Joby. I appreciate your help.

Chuck

I'd be careful 'bout jumping on Joby and Greg if I were you. We've whooped up on 'em enough that they've toughened up pretty good. You just liable to draw back a nub. :)

But to your original question.......who cares? Yes, they're drawing a salary and have the responsibility of C.C monitoring assigned to them. And if I had to guess, I'd say all those in their position received an email saying to post the below on their forums, but it's not like you could say they're just mouth pieces for Big Sonar. They actually help quite a few and don't mind getting off down in the deep jungle on a technical issue on occassion either. If you'll also note, it's very rare that they respond to a post with the word "Lowrance" in their reply. They stick to their product and in doing so, let the market decide. You gotta appreciate their (and H'bird's) approach.

However, if you're gonna jump one, jump on Greg. Joby carries a blade.

Wannabe...

You fellers quit poking Lowrance in the eye. I believe HB has a novel idea with the forum participation. However, if Lowrance and HB were both here on this forum, it would quickly become the OT electronics forum.

I could have too much fun.

I do appreciate the HB guys. Seeeeeee, I sait it.:p

Careful there Wannabe...Greg packs heat.;)

I too agree joby and greg have been very helpful to me by helping resolve issues i have had with my humminbirds my hat is off to them keep up the good work I appreciated the info good to know what is going on

I need all the help I can get at times and HB has been there for me. I also have 2 lowrance units and Ms. Colt was very helpful. Sorry to see her go! I hope HB treats their employees better.
Bill

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Originally Posted by speck chaser

I too agree joby and greg have been very helpful to me by helping resolve issues i have had with my humminbirds my hat is off to them keep up the good work I appreciated the info good to know what is going on

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what did they do show you how to turn it on:D:D:D-see charger I used a funny face.

some of my friends, and some of my buds, like humminbird, and some of them like lowrance, and I want all to know I will stand by my friends and buds,

I totally apperciate Greg and Joby's imput...here and the other SI forums....

I hope they are compensated in some way from HB for the valuable help they give....they deserve it.....

It takes me 1-3 hours everyday to just stay up-to-date on all the posts in just 3 of the forums that they frequent....

I'm sure they are members in more than just the ones that I frequent....

My hat is off to them...whetther they get paid for it or not....!!

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Originally Posted by chuckauten

HB guys have my vote. I appreciate any and all help they can give us. I see no other mfg. posting any responses to any of our questions, problems, etc. The only time I have seen one, is thier promotion of a product. Thanks Gregg and Joby. I appreciate your help.

Chuck

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Yes thanks Gregg and Joby and others who help.

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Originally Posted by Herewego

Yes thanks Gregg and Joby and others who help.

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Well lets see, I guess the real question is "why would lowrance have to come to this site in the first place"??? They've come out with a top-notch unit that has HB pissing and moaning and the Lowrance guys haven't had all that many problems with them... Unlike the 27 threads on this forum about the endless problems that HB is having and has had in the past. Its amazing how all the HB people are praising these guys to no end but 5 months ago they were ready to sell there stuff and by Lowrance!!!!! So the best question for the HB guys to ask themselves is why didn't HB have all this stuff fixed and operational when they sold you the unit. Did the guys that came up with the technology just figure that these fisherman wouldn't know what they were looking at in the first place so it really don't matter if it works properly or not or did they just not give a sh!t. I guess I'll let the HB guys answer that one since I have a Lowrance(if you hadn't figured that out already). Oh and by the way, haven't had one bit of trouble with my GPS,or anything else for that matter, matter of fact sometimes its so fast I cannot even keep up with it... lol

Well i would have to say lowrance wouldnt come to this site due to the fact that they have poor customer service in the first place, everything will be ok until something happens then you might not be so happy, i will say lowrance has some cool stuff, but look how long it took to develop it and then you have to pay for all the extra stuff.

Braggin on hired help is a little different than bragging on units, but it is part of the package.

When we do the side by side SI tests in March, then we will express our opinions. Opinions do count sometimes and we will be fair and balanced.

All units oughta do what their specifications claim they will do. I have both Lowrance and HB. They both have their good and bad points.

I still ain't happy with the donut.

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Originally Posted by chuckauten

HB guys have my vote. I appreciate any and all help they can give us. I see no other mfg. posting any responses to any of our questions, problems, etc. The only time I have seen one, is thier promotion of a product. Thanks Gregg and Joby. I appreciate your help.

Chuck

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I agree with chuck they are here helping when NOBODY else is-why knock it.:eek:
Yes i own 997 3 plus years, but need at least this summer 2010, to see which way I go with new side imaging units-- 2011 models.

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Originally Posted by Cane Pole

Careful there Wannabe...Greg packs heat.;)

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Yeah, but he only has one bullet and he keeps it in his shirt pocket.

Wannabe...

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Originally Posted by Cane Pole

Braggin on hired help is a little different than bragging on units, but it is part of the package.

When we do the side by side SI tests in March, then we will express our opinions. Opinions do count sometimes and we will be fair and balanced.

All units oughta do what their specifications claim they will do. I have both Lowrance and HB. They both have their good and bad points.

I still ain't happy with the donut.

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As you can see I like stirring the pot... Doesn't really matter to me either, heck I don't even have a hds unit(522icgps)... All I am trying to say is maybe HB was left with no other choice than to appoint 2 guys to read thru forums from day to day so that the complaints would not get out of hand...And if they would have had this stuff right in the first place there would have been alot happier HB users...I have never had to use Lowrances customer service...Just poking fun Cane Pole.:D

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As you can see I like stirring the pot... Doesn't really matter to me either, heck I don't even have a hds unit(522icgps)... All I am trying to say is maybe HB was left with no other choice than to appoint 2 guys to read thru forums from day to day so that the complaints would not get out of hand...And if [B]they[B] would have had this stuff right in the first place there would have been alot happier HB users...I have never had to use Lowrances customer service...Just poking fun Cane pole.:D

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I know.:) I still hate the donut.

Isn't HB an alabama corp? If so I think it's awful ironic how HB and companies like ROAD RUNNER, take an existing technology or product and "patent" it then sue the people who invented it. They like to do that over there a lot.

Cane Pole eats stale donuts. He admitted in this forum. I think it is pretty neat that the HB guys post here on c.c. I see no harm being done. Lowrance vs HB.. kind a like Ford vs Chevy.

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Originally Posted by JABBO

Well lets see, I guess the real question is "why would lowrance have to come to this site in the first place"??? They've come out with a top-notch unit that has HB pissing and moaning and the Lowrance guys haven't had all that many problems with them... Unlike the 27 threads on this forum about the endless problems that HB is having and has had in the past. Its amazing how all the HB people are praising these guys to no end but 5 months ago they were ready to sell there stuff and by Lowrance!!!!! So the best question for the HB guys to ask themselves is why didn't HB have all this stuff fixed and operational when they sold you the unit. Did the guys that came up with the technology just figure that these fisherman wouldn't know what they were looking at in the first place so it really don't matter if it works properly or not or did they just not give a sh!t. I guess I'll let the HB guys answer that one since I have a Lowrance(if you hadn't figured that out already). Oh and by the way, haven't had one bit of trouble with my GPS,or anything else for that matter, matter of fact sometimes its so fast I cannot even keep up with it... lol

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Here's a 7 page link to folks raving about their great Lowrance's and company service. How long to get my Lowrance back from the factory? - Walleye Message Central

I don't know why it is but regardless of how the thread starts it will always fall into a Humminbird vs Lowrance debate. Just like on icefishing site its Marcum vs Vexilar.

If anyone doubts that Lowrance has a CS service problem dial their service number and time how long it takes until you get an answer. Then do the same with Humminbird. If you are hard to convince do it 3 or 4 times. Time to answer will reflect quite a bit if you think about it.

1. Not enough CS reps cause long answering delays. Reflects companys dedication to CS
2. Defective merchandise will trigger flood of calls. Reflect company's commitment to quality.
3. Picture yourself with a 1500-2000 dollar investment to improve your fishing . And it spends more time at the manufacturer than on the console of your boat. How high will your blood pressure soar ?

I am not going to bother to say which units I have. But believe me I did a ton of research before making a decision. This site plus many others was used to find out what I needed to know.

People have a way of adopting a brand of car , boat etc and it is the greatest simply because they own it. Their decision to buy it in the first place needs to be constantly justified. One thing my old man taught me " Buy in haste repent at your leisure. " Actually what he did say was saltier but this is a family site.

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Originally Posted by sac-a-lait

Isn't HB an alabama corp? If so I think it's awful ironic how HB and companies like ROAD RUNNER, take an existing technology or product and "patent" it then sue the people who invented it. They like to do that over there a lot.

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Well who invented the ROAD RUNNER and who invented SI ?????

Just let 'em keep fighting back and forth. More competition is a good thing for us. Better products and lower prices. I haven't bought one yet myself for several reasons, on being money. I'll be watching closely to see which unit proves better. My guess is they will both have their strengths and weaknesses. Will have to choose which one best fits YOUR individual fishing needs. I know guys who swear by both brands. They can't all be wrong.

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Originally Posted by SpeckWick

Just let 'em keep fighting back and forth. More competition is a good thing for us. Better products and lower prices. I haven't bought one yet myself for several reasons, on being money. I'll be watching closely to see which unit proves better. My guess is they will both have their strengths and weaknesses. Will have to choose which one best fits YOUR individual fishing needs. I know guys who swear by both brands. They can't all be wrong.

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Agreed. They'll just both get better. HB didn't fix the donut, but they sure did add an identical color scheme that lowrance has used for color units for years. I found that funny the first time I loaded it on my 788C.

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Originally Posted by Cane Pole

I know.:) I still hate the donut.

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I don't own a Lowrance but I'm pretty sure the Lowrance GPS refreshes 5X second.........HB's is still only 4X second...

The technology of getting that donut to go away is out there...HB just hasn't decided to implement it yet......

And I sincerely HOPE that the word..."yet".....is the key here...and soon... I hope....

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Originally Posted by rnvinc

I don't own a Lowrance but I'm pretty sure the Lowrance GPS refreshes 5X second.........HB's is still only 4X second...

The technology of getting that donut to go away is out there...HB just hasn't decided to implement it yet......

And I sincerely HOPE that the word..."yet".....is the key here...and soon... I hope....

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On my HB's I would say it's more like once every 4 seconds. But no more then once a second. Through in the donut, and it can seem like every 10 seconds or so.