? about bodies and hackles

Hays47 made a post with some hackles pics and i am trying my hand at it cuz I think they look fishy. My ? is: How do you run your thread over the hackle without wrapping down the hairs. Do you start the feather at the head or the hook end?
I am thinking about tying the stem at the hook end then running the thread to the head, making a few rounds then wrapping the feather towards the head and over the thread trim it then tie it off with the whip finish. How do any of you do it? I have the same problem with the chenille body. I like it to stay fluffed up, not wound down with thread.
Here is a hackle I just did. Nothing like hays47 posted "YET"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...k/100_1202.jpg

YouTube - Fly Fishing with a Woolly Bugger : How to Palmer a Woolly Bugger Chanelle

YouTube - Fly Fishing with a Woolly Bugger : How to Palmer Woolly Bugger Hackle

This should help you out!!

Rtark- heres how I do it. Wrap thread base fingernail polish it. Tie tail on and any flash material. Select chenille and tie along hook shank but away from the. head. Select feather for hackle and stroke against webbing so it stand out perpendicular to quill.

At the small end of the hackle feather use scissors to create a tie point. Tie by small end shiny side of hackle up. Hook your chenille around tie in point of hackle. Now wrap your chenille on like you always do . Now if you have hackle pliers it does make it a little easier. Start wrapping the hackle around the chenille. Closer the wraps the more hairier the jig. For less hairer look space the hackle wraps further apart. As you come to the jig head cinch in with bobbin. Whip finish and nail polish the thread.

In my limited time with hackle here a few things I have found out. Chickens are raised and genetically designed to produce certain types and grades of hackle. It is amazing what some tyers are paying for the feathers, Seems like long slender and narrow hackle feathers are the the ones highly prized. I am sure certain color types are prized also.

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Originally Posted by Len

YouTube - Fly Fishing with a Woolly Bugger : How to Palmer a Woolly Bugger Chanelle

YouTube - Fly Fishing with a Woolly Bugger : How to Palmer Woolly Bugger Hackle

This should help you out!!

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yeppir. That should get anyone started correctly. After that it is practice that makes you better.

RTARK- Great looking jig! Love the colors.

Thanks hays, I just happen to have several packs of hackle feathers but I wouldn't pay a high price for them to crappie fish. I get what your saying, now I will watch the videos.

TNTJIGMAN: thanks I have only tied a couple of these. That head is not really red , it is acually a crawdad color. Looks red on my monitor.

That is a very nice looking bugger.It's way to nice to be your first one. Quality hackle makes a big difference. I'd keep doing what you're doing.

it looks good to me.

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Originally Posted by JUNGLEJIMJIGS

That is a very nice looking bugger.It's way to nice to be your first one. Quality hackle makes a big difference. I'd keep doing what you're doing.

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Not my first, sorry, its about my third one. I caught a couple craps on the first one. It was ugly.

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Originally Posted by rtark

Not my first, sorry, its about my third one. I caught a couple craps on the first one. It was ugly.

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Hey, if ya caught fish on one, don't worry about it being ugly....the fish didn't mind!!
Flatfish taught me that! Don't worry about how it looks to you...you're not gonna eat it:)
That looks like a pretty good tie to me. I too struggled with palmering
hackle to get that buggy look. After five or ten poor tries I finally figured out
how to do it to get the look I wanted. Now all I want to do is tie hackled
stuff!! Go figure!

Not sure I am looking at your question right, but here is the way to tie in your palmered hackle. You tie it just like any jig and the after you get the tail in you tie in the hackle and leave it hanging off the back or hook end. Once you tie in the body you can then wrap the hackle and tie it in at the head. Now on flies lots or most of the guys also tie in a piece of copper wire that wraps over the hackle to make it last better and they tie in it just like the hackle.

Hope this helps and I answered your question.

Thanks Skip and everyone, I got it now. I really like the hackle look and I may tie me some bluegill bugs for the bedding season on Lake Ouachita and leave the crickets at home. Another Question, I have a "hackle gauge" in my box of goodies that I traded Ledhed out of. What is it for?

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Originally Posted by rtark

Thanks Skip and everyone, I got it now. I really like the hackle look and I may tie me some bluegill bugs for the bedding season on Lake Ouachita and leave the crickets at home. Another Question, I have a "hackle gauge" in my box of goodies that I traded Ledhed out of. What is it for?

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Mostly for fly tying of dry flies. You have to measure the size of the hackle for that. They have a formula and it gauges the size of the hackle to the hook size.

Be sure to get some Saddle Hackle for this if you don't already use that. I use it for any palmered or a jig with a collar and then for a tail I use the Neck Hackle.

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