Mark McGwire

I watched with interest the interview with Mark McGwire when he admitted steroid use. I am amazed that after his admission, that people continue to rip him apart. His long time manager, Tony LaRussa, has stood by his player every step of the way, and HE gets ripped apart for his unquestioned loyalty to one of his players. The only person to lose here is McGwire; by his own admission, he probably insured that he will never get into the hall of fame. What I find ironic about all of this is that we have Lawrence Taylor (the New York Giant long time linebacker) in the pro football hall of fame after numerous drug convictions. NOT alleged uses, CONVICTIONS! He even appears on dancing with the stars and does commercials. Duane Bowe, the Chiefs wide receiver serves a 4 game suspension for violating the leagues drug policy and is welcomed back amid cheers? In the midst of a WOEFUL 4-12 season, he hurt his team and gets cheered? Chiefs fans idolize Derrick Thomas who fathered FIVE illegitimae children who, to this day, receive no support what-so-ever and is inducted into the football hall of fame. See anything wrong with this picture? I do not condone what McGwire did, but I applaud and admire him for having the balls to stand up and admit it. Who among us could withstand intense scrutiny of our lives and come out clean? Don't know about you, but I sure as hell could not. McGwire made a terrible decision to use drugs; he stood up as a man and admitted it, how many of us would? It's over, give him a break.

Well said Jack! I always wondered why congress felt it necessary to hold hearings on steroid abuse in Baseball. Shouldn't Major League Baseball regulate drug use in the game? I never knew that fell under congressional control.

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Originally Posted by speckhunter

Well said Jack! I always wondered why congress felt it necessary to hold hearings on steroid abuse in Baseball. Shouldn't Major League Baseball regulate drug use in the game? I never knew that fell under congressional control.

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Thanks Speck; if you recall at the hearings, McGwire NEVER denied using steroids, his only comment was "I'm not here to talk about the past". Weak, I admit, but he did not lie.

i agree that congress has to much to do to be policing baseball,and i applaud mark for admitting steroid use and hope he works out great for the cards, but him saying that the steroids had nothing to do with hitting homers is a little much.:confused:

If he wanted to be a man and stand up and admit it,maybe it should have been done years ago?

He broke the rules,and he didn't lie,but didn't admit it either till now.Liars and thiefs are on my chit list...no use for them.

Dont like steriods.....Mark should be pulled from the records books
Just like Pete Rose.

My question being......baseball an steriods.
You better believe that Football is using them........how come nothing being said?

Jackb you hit the nail on the head.

Speckhunter it is easier to deal with Baseball than the problems of the American people. Kind of takes the lime light off a congress who are more concerned about protecting their own jobs, than crossing party lines to get some work done to help the American people. Ahh but who do we have to blame for that? Us the voting American public. We each seem to look at electing only people who will seem to do the best job for us. Not people who will do good for everyone.

Catman & Cook, I too applaud Mark for standing up and admitting it. But I also think he should have done it long before accepting another job in baseball. With him admitting it only after the ink was dry on his new job contract with the Cardinals it looks more like he admitted it to save his new job.

It seems to me that we have no true hero's in Sports today for kids to look up too. Maybe I am wrong but that is why I look to Motor Sports for hero's. Because anyone who is willing to risk their life by strapping themselves behind a wheel is more of hero to me than some over paid football, basketball or baseball player. Who either runs to their Union or don't play because they have a hang nail.

Just to name a few of the people I respect in Motor Sports:

John Force
Dale Earnhardt Sr
Junior Johnson - Granted a convicted whiskey runner!
Carl Edwards
Dale Earnhardt Jr
Mark Martin
Tony Stewart
Ned Jarrett
Dale Jarrett

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Originally Posted by Bob # 1

Dont like steriods.....Mark should be pulled from the records books
Just like Pete Rose.

My question being......baseball an steriods.
You better believe that Football is using them........how come nothing being said?

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Another good point Bob#1; my guess is if you tested NFL players for steroids, you would have about 20 weeks of tv time to fill.:eek:

To look like this....

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ost51/mus2.jpg

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Originally Posted by FROSTY

To look like this....

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ost51/mus2.jpg

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Yeah...But can he hit?

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Originally Posted by FROSTY

To look like this....

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ost51/mus2.jpg

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Holy cow!!!!:eek: OSS looks like one bad dude!:D Nice work Frosty!

This wouldn't even be a topic in sports if JackB had not invented steroids!:D

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Originally Posted by gatorbitu

This wouldn't even be a topic in sports if JackB had not invented steroids!:D

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I did NOT invent steroids, I did NOT have sex with that woman, and I NEVER inhaled and...:)

I've always been a McGwire fan, even way back when he was part of the "bash brothers" for Oakland. I wish he had come clean a long time ago instead of now when he needs to to get back into baseball. I wish him much success in his new endeavor.

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Originally Posted by bwillaub

I've always been a McGwire fan, even way back when he was part of the "bash brothers" for Oakland. I wish he had come clean a long time ago instead of now when he needs to to get back into baseball. I wish him much success in his new endeavor.

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I could not agree with you more; if the old adage "everybody deserves a second chance" is true, this is his. I too wish him success.

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Originally Posted by jackb

I did NOT invent steroids, I did NOT have sex with that woman, and I NEVER inhaled and...:)

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And you invented that speech for politicians as well! You are one talented individual Jackb!:D I am not sure why there is a need to take steroids in baseball anyway, I can see why the NFL players take them, if they didn't they would not be able to withstand the punishment they take on the field. I for one know they take them in sports and I watch every game without ever thinking of it, what they do to their bodies is their choice. Why on earth congress thinks they need to waste taxpayer money on getting someone to admit to it is beyond me, the things they do in office is far more worthy of an investigation! I think every sports fan in today's era know this is what takes place in professional sports, if it didn't would this nation spend the money we spend to be entertained by them?

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Originally Posted by gatorbitu

And you invented that speech for politicians as well! You are one talented individual Jackb!:D I am not sure why there is a need to take steroids in baseball anyway, I can see why the NFL players take them, if they didn't they would not be able to withstand the punishment they take on the field. I for one know they take them in sports and I watch every game without ever thinking of it, what they do to their bodies is their choice. Why on earth congress thinks they need to waste taxpayer money on getting someone to admit to it is beyond me, the things they do in office is far more worthy of an investigation! I think every sports fan in today's era know this is what takes place in professional sports, if it didn't would this nation spend the money we spend to be entertained by them?

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I agree as well Gator; what an athelete does to his/her body is something THEY have to live with. My whole point was he admitted to it and there is nothing to be gained by kicking him while he is down. The other fact is that Congress was/is trying to get atheletes to admit to a wrong doing when, at that time, no drug policies for steroids were in place!:eek:

At least we know there are no prefomance enhancers used in professional wrestling.:p;)

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Originally Posted by speckhunter

At least we know there are no prefomance enhancers used in professional wrestling.:p;)

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PERFORMANCE enhancers? Now that opens up an entire new can of worms, doesn't it???? :D:eek:

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Originally Posted by jackb

I agree as well Gator; what an athelete does to his/her body is something THEY have to live with. My whole point was he admitted to it and there is nothing to be gained by kicking him while he is down. The other fact is that Congress was/is trying to get atheletes to admit to a wrong doing when, at that time, no drug policies for steroids were in place!:eek:

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Well said my friend!:)

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Originally Posted by Crappie Novice

PERFORMANCE enhancers? Now that opens up an entire new can of worms, doesn't it???? :D:eek:

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Now novice there is nothing wrong with feeling like were in our 20's again! God bless science!!!:D:eek:

i'll bet the only reason he came clean is that someone from the past was about to rat him out and he thinks it is better if he comes clean before that news story breaks.

it's person by person... any cheater should not be in the record books; or at least with an * next to their numbers.

pro football and pro basketball have problems that far exceed performance enhancers! real serious criminal activity.

don't respect cheaters! would you respect someone who stuffed a fish full of lead to win a tourney? it's no different!!!

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Originally Posted by Crappie Novice

PERFORMANCE enhancers? Now that opens up an entire new can of worms, doesn't it???? :D:eek:

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OK new rules for Crappie Camp! No jigs dipped in performance enhancers! I don't want to eat any Crappie high on drugs!

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Originally Posted by camo_boat

i'll bet the only reason he came clean is that someone from the past was about to rat him out and he thinks it is better if he comes clean before that news story breaks.

it's person by person... any cheater should not be in the record books; or at least with an * next to their numbers.

pro football and pro basketball have problems that far exceed performance enhancers! real serious criminal activity.

don't respect cheaters! would you respect someone who stuffed a fish full of lead to win a tourney? it's no different!!!

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He was ratted out a couple of years ago. All of us know they blur the lines in sports otherwise the fans (us) would not bother to watch or spend the money to see someone do the same thing we could all do. I know I would not be able to get up with a smile after a 300+# man jacked me up full tilt!:)

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Originally Posted by DMW1960

OK new rules for Crappie Camp! No jigs dipped in performance enhancers! I don't want to eat any Crappie high on drugs!

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Dang it DMW I can't fish now! Thanks a lot:D

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Originally Posted by gatorbitu

Now novice there is nothing wrong with feeling like were in our 20's again! God bless science!!!:D:eek:

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Exactly!! After four hours I would call my doctor and tell him THANK YOU! AND donate to his favorite charity:eek:

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Originally Posted by jackb

Exactly!! After four hours I would call my doctor and tell him THANK YOU! AND donate to his favorite charity:eek:

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:D:D:D:D:eek:

I agree that ther should be a * beside the name in the record books. However I feel their name should stay. No steroid in the world can make you hit a 100 mph fastball. It might help you hit it farther but you still have to have the basic skills.

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Originally Posted by speckhunter

I agree that ther should be a * beside the name in the record books. However I feel their name should stay. No steroid in the world can make you hit a 100 mph fastball. It might help you hit it farther but you still have to have the basic skills.

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Well said sir, I agree:)

I wasn't illegal when he was playing.

I'm betting the Cards told him that he needs to come clean if he is going to be the batting coach.
Scientists who have studied the physics of the sports say that hitting a round object with a round object is the hardest thing to do in ANY of the sports. Mark McGwire could certainly do it well.

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Originally Posted by bwillaub

I'm betting the Cards told him that he needs to come clean if he is going to be the batting coach.

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Definitely. I'll go one step further. I'm thinking that Tony orchestrated this whole thing so that if would force McGwire to go public. Tony is very calculating and probably wanted to make sure that this matter was cleaned up before he left the Cards.

Mike
"Jackpot"

Never been a huge fan of baseball, or any other "Pro" sport. Too many other pursuits I guess. To me the ideal baseball game is when it's 110 outside and too hot to fish. Drink two beers in the first inning, fall asleep on the couch in my air conditioned house. Wake up at the bottom of the ninth and have another beer.:D

The last few posts are correct.
It wasn't illegal at the time and you have to have the skills to get a bat on the ball to make it go the right trajectory. It's a God given skill.
Someone had to try to keep up with Sosa and Bonds.
I had to admit it made baseball interesting again. Not enough for me to start paying close attention. I'm still waiting for the Players that went on strike to all be retired or coaching before I get interested again (I don't think I can outlast the owners). I'll keep watching the Springfield Cards. At least the owner and those guys care about fans.

Everyone called ole Jose Canseco a nut case when he accused Giambi, Rodriguez, McGuire, Palmiero and others of juicing, heck he was more believable than the big stars he named. I can't accept the argument on technicality that it wasn't illegal at the time, if so then why did they think they had to mislead everyone from congress to the American public about it? The club owners and league knew about it also and opted to treat the fans like mushrooms. Hope they all get sent to the minors.