Finally, I knew somebody would post it. I agree huntin-n-fishin. A catalpa, or how ever you spell it, is hard to find and the worms are excellent. My granddad said they use to use them, but they would cut the head off and use a match stick to turn them inside out. He said they were about white. I told him that sounded like to much work, especially having to do it so often. I never tried it, but like the worms. Matter of fact, since I moved I spotted me a catalpa not far from where I'm building my house.