thanks guys, i measured him today when i cleaned he was 10 inches.man those scales are tough when they get that big.we will find out how good he taste saturday night.we stocked the pond about 16 years ago so i guess this is this is the product,even though i dont understand pond mangement very well. our bass are small and our brim are really decent to large.the channnel cat have gone but the speckeled cat have grown large.but its nice to have some where to play around and for kids.