Festus I'm sorry I misunderstood. I appologize on my comment. I fished down in Arizona with my cousin who lives their and he took me fishing. He used minnows and I stayed with my Artificials. Sad to say I out fished him in his own fishing waters. Presentation was the key for me. He would throw out and let the live minnow do its thing. He was fishing with a set depth with his bobber. I used a slip bobber set up so I could adjust to what ever depth I wanted. I used Tubes only.