Pappa, if you don't get a boat before the camp at Ft Gibson you are welcome to spend some time in mine. That will also get us some time to discuss my experiences with different styles and brands. I don't really like to speak unfavorably about any brand on a public forum. My tin boat expected has been with my current Lund, Alumacraft, Crestliner, G3, DuraCraft, Tracker and the older Ranger aluminum. I haven't owned all those but have fished extensively from them. I'll be at camp Friday and Saturday for sure.