Thread: Mountain Lion in Oklahoma?

Not to ruffle any feathers, or call anyone a liar... but I think everyone that "sees" a black cat (panther/cougar/mountain lion/whatever you call it) is mistaken. One of two things is happening, either you are actually seeing a cougar and the light is poor, making it appear black, or it is in fact not a cougar at all. I say this because, cougars just don't come in black! There can be an occasional genetic anomaly that may produce a black cat, and this would be extremely rare. But there is simply no way that many people are seeing "black cats" that do not exist. And to further support my theory, has anyone ever produced a photo of a black cat? Nope. With all the game cams around, one is going to be captured on film. But that has yet to surface. So by lack of evidence, and the near impossibility for one to naturally exist in the first place, I think a lot of people need to get their eyes checked.... and quit believing everything you hear.

Well, I've never seen a black one either. But I use to hear stories of them. Sounds reasonable to think such a thing exist IMHO. I always heard they were called 'Black Painters' or 'Black Panthers' and 'Pumas'. But who knows. But then again, the ODWC and their biologist used to swear there were no Black Bears in Oklahoma even though people were seeing them fairly regularly in SE OK.

Black Cougar

Yes there are black bobcats. They are rare but with people not predator hunting like they use to there are becoming more out there. We killed two bobcats this deer season that were very dark not hardly any spotting what so ever. Look up Black bobcat and you will see some. Same as Okidon said ODWC use to say no black bears, no mountain lions, etc. I have seen a pure black bobcat at James Collins wildlife management area. If he would have came in about 20 more yards you would have been seeing a mount of him. There are a few mountain lions running around the texanna area along with a black bear or two. The deal is nobody knows how many of anything there are out there. The bear season closed in the first few hours of the first day this year. OODWC better start raising that number of bear counts.

One thing I do know, there are tons of trail cameras all over the state now. Mountain Lion pictures are extremely rare and "black panther" pictures are nonexistant. Not only in this state but every state. There are no authenticated cases of truly melanistic cougars (pumas). Melanistic cougars have never been photographed or shot in the wild and none has ever been bred. There is wide consensus among breeders and biologists that the animal does not exist. Black Jaguars are fairly common in central and south America but their range doesn't extend into Texas or Oklahoma.

If you need video evidence go to Black Panther in Arkansas on youtube and there will be others as well.

That's what everyone thought until they were captured on film in Arizona. Black Jaguars, you could see faint spots on them.

I said black Jaguars are fairly common in central and south America Lip. I didn't say there weren't any in Arizona, I said their range didn't extend into Texas and Oklahoma, or Arkansas for that matter. In my statement about there not being any evidence of panthers I was referring to Cougars (also known as Mountain Lions or Pumas) which are a different species than Jaguars. There has never been a case of a black Cougar in the wild or in captivity and it is unanimously accepted by breeders, biologists, and scientists that melanistic or black cougar doesn't exist. Anything is possible but you have to look at the odds. Anyone who says things like "I see Cougars all the time" or "I've seen black Cougars many times" is just crazy. There are Cougars in Oklahoma for sure. We have seen a couple of trail camera pictures show up and we've captured or killed on or two but they are extremely rare. Black ones do not exist and a Jaguar would have to travel over 1000 miles outside its documented range to get to Oklahoma. The fact is, almost every sighting of this nature is just a case of mistaken identity.

Originally Posted by mudcreeker

Not to ruffle any feathers, or call anyone a liar... but I think everyone that "sees" a black cat (panther/cougar/mountain lion/whatever you call it) is mistaken. One of two things is happening, either you are actually seeing a cougar and the light is poor, making it appear black, or it is in fact not a cougar at all. I say this because, cougars just don't come in black! There can be an occasional genetic anomaly that may produce a black cat, and this would be extremely rare. But there is simply no way that many people are seeing "black cats" that do not exist. And to further support my theory, has anyone ever produced a photo of a black cat? Nope. With all the game cams around, one is going to be captured on film. But that has yet to surface. So by lack of evidence, and the near impossibility for one to naturally exist in the first place, I think a lot of people need to get their eyes checked.... and quit believing everything you hear.

LOL Man, Are ya on crack or somthing?
Maybe you should do a quick 30 second search on something before making statements about it being nonexistant.