thanks guys but to be honest yesterday at lake Washington i had 6 bites and caught 4 and missed 2 at the net but i believe ifn i had used straight gold minnow hooks it would have been better for me the gnats just wasnt doing it so i guess you just gotta figure out what the fish want and give it to them like gdg and feesh did some days the gnats are all they want but some days they aint is what im trying to say just make sure you have both when fishing a tourney live and learn lol