When I say they don't look like mid south jigs....well they are tubes and most of them pretty much look the same to me. They are not identicle (sp?) but are identicle to thier shorter cousins the lil hustler. Anyway been through the whole list of suppiers from the SP web site, and none of them sell them in larger than a 25 pack......may be what i have to go with. gonna make some calls tommorrow though.