Drugs, not guns maybe?

[NeonMoon]

It's much easier to handle kids when they're tranquilized, heck with side-effects, as long as it's less of an inconvenience to those involved. Yet they wonder why the same people have psychotic breakdowns somewhere down the road.

What I used to get a hide-tannin' for, now a days you see the doc and get a prescription.

Where's Timothy Leary?

[RetiredRR]

Excellent thread. I have a great nephew in the first grade. Started school doing very well. In the middle of his first year, he gets bored and starts getting
in trouble. Teachers want him on meds. His mom puts him on meds, he progressively get worse. Nephew takes son to doctor and doctor does IQ testing and
wall-a, guess what. The great nephew has a higher IQ than the teacher and was bored to death and since the teacher got tired of him answering all the
questions, she shushed him and thusly, he rebelled. He was taken off the meds and given more work to do in the class. He was given a choice, skip a grade
and get into the third grade so he wouldn't get bored. School district is contemplating moving him up. He is on a 5th grade level on all subjects. The teachers
are fighting amongst themselves on what to do with a brilliant kid. Pitiful ain't it? The doctor told my nephew to get his kid out of that particular school
district for the sake of his child. What would you do? I raised my nephew for 12 years and told him to remove his son from that school district. Place him in
a school for gifted and talented children, and give his son a chance. The mom is fighting against it. She is on meds for depression and low self esteem. She
was home schooled and does not mix well with others. Now, having said that.........you might wonder if I have something against home schooling. Answer:
Nope, I'm the Godfather of two home schooled boys, one a FBI agent, the other a pilot, fireman, medic & self employed tree removal expert. Some have it
and some don't. I place blame on the parents first, professionals second. If the parent can't get it right, professional help is the next step. The professional
should first evaluate the parent and find out why they failed, then deal with the child. Hide tanning worked well for me and even though there is no prescription
for it today, home remedies do work if applied properly. "Properly" is a debatable term. Hey, when you get right down to it, it's all debatable, ain't it?

[jackie53]

Jesus is the answer everytime not drugs or Professionals!!!!! Jesus means God is with us!!!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!! God bless and happy new year!!!!!

[Phantom309]

I say we go back to the old days = beat the dog chit outta em when they "intentionally" do wrong ! !
Cured me .........................................

[jpdawg]

It’s all debatable RR.
Have they checked into any gifted and talented programs? Not many but some school districts have them. If this one does not maybe a nearby school district has one. It sounds like that young man needs to be challenged. Home schooling takes a special person, my sister-in-law was fantastic with them. My nieces were home schooled and gained social skills through 4H, rural youth and softball organizations.
Interesting that most of the incidents have happened in the last 10 or 12 years. I wonder if that is when they started collecting data or what could be a scary new trend.

[jpdawg]

When I was in school, butt whippin's seem to solve most the psych problems. Only about 50 percent of students graduated HS when I attended school. Now , somewhere around 75 percent graduate. hmmmmmm? I had high school students and 90 percent of them could not use a protractor, a compass, a square, or even a ruler. They were amazed with these devices.

Graduation rate for your state Cane Pole was 86% in 2011.
Something interesting that I came across while I was looking up graduation rates. The Bureau of Indian Education is a division of the bureau of Indian Affairs under the U.S. Department of the Interior. It is charged with the responsibility of educating an estimated 41,000 American Indian and Alaska Native children across 183 elementary and secondary schools on 64 reservations in 23 states. Bureau of Indian Education Graduation rate, 61 percent in 2011. Sounds like another well ran Government program to me.

[Cane Pole]

Graduation rate for your state Cane Pole was 86% in 2011.
Something interesting that I came across while I was looking up graduation rates. The Bureau of Indian Education is a division of the bureau of Indian Affairs under the U.S. Department of the Interior. It is charged with the responsibility of educating an estimated 41,000 American Indian and Alaska Native children across 183 elementary and secondary schools on 64 reservations in 23 states. Bureau of Indian Education Graduation rate, 61 percent in 2011. Sounds like another well ran Government program to me.

I was referring to the 50's when I graduated. Yep, sounds right for 2011 grads. But, what percent of them can use a protractor or can read above primer level?

[RetiredRR]

It’s all debatable RR.
Have they checked into any gifted and talented programs? Not many but some school districts have them. If this one does not maybe a nearby school district has one. It sounds like that young man needs to be challenged. Home schooling takes a special person, my sister-in-law was fantastic with them. My nieces were home schooled and gained social skills through 4H, rural youth and softball organizations.
Interesting that most of the incidents have happened in the last 10 or 12 years. I wonder if that is when they started collecting data or what could be a scary new trend.

Yes Sir, those programs are availabe in a neighboring school district, and he is being moved. The doctor made a special effort to get involved and wrote
a letter to the school district re: great nephews situation. Sounds crazy, but when he started school he was straight A's, and when it became boring, he
couldn't cope, so he did the only thing he knew to do, act out in class. With the meds he became a zombie until the dose started making him do strange
things, and that is when he was taken by his dad to see the doctor. The doctor diagnoised him properly and got to the root of his problem real quick.
He is back to being a great kid and student and he is challenged everyday in class, exactly what he needed. Sounds too simple doesn't it? Involvement is
key is so many of these situations. Finding the fine line in being involved is complicated only if you make it complicated. I believe in keeping the gears well
lubricated so the learning process is easier. The two boys I raised (brothers-nephews) would rather I took the ping pong paddle to them than have to sit
and listen to me talk to them...........constantly making them answer questions and look me in the eyes with their answers. They became good communicators
because they learned to listen and give feedback. When I pulled one of 'ems chain, they knew exactly how to respond and they became quick studies in the
art of sizing up a situation before it happened. Cause and effect. For every action, there will be a reaction. Their choice on wheather it would be a positive
or negative reaction. They turned out just the way I would have expected my own child to turn out. Respectable citizens doing their part to make the
community a better place to live. Their parents were and are still resentful of they way they were raised, but since they didn't contribute a cent towards
their upbringing, their thoughts are mute. I'm proud of both of them. No, thankfully we didn't produce children. Really horrific circumstances in my side of
the family. Hunningtons Disease. Taken most of my family at young ages and passed the gene on to their children. Several of them already passed at very
young ages. How it passed me, I'll never understand, other than...........God had other plans for my life.

[jpdawg]

Not sure about a protator but I bet 20% can't read a tape measure.

[jpdawg]

Glad to hear that RR. Good luck with that youngster.