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    Apparently you are blind to what the 2nd affords us. Apparently you trust government to care for you. You and those like you are the ones that will allow an overeaching government to enslave you. Sure we trust the LE and military. Listen very closely to what this woman says. There is one sentence in her commentary that should reach out and slap the sheet out of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCarter View Post
    I support gun CONTROL. but not a gun BAN.

    A citizen should be allowed to carry a firearm of their choice to reasonably protect themselves and those around them. A citizen should be allowed to own a reasonable amount of firearms within their household. A citizen should acknowledge the responsibility of securing such firearms and keeping them out of the hands of people who are not qualified to handle a firearm.

    As a former US military member, I have used an assault rifle, I have used a handgun, and I have used a minigun mounted on a helo. No person has ever convinced me why they need an assault rifle. I keep hearing protection, FROM WHO?! Who the hell are you shooting at that requires you to use a 21 count magazine? Do you have zero faith in law enforcement and our military? You want to own a rifle, a shotgun, a handgun, be my guest, those are excellent weapons to have. But an assault rifle isn't one of them. Give me a good legitimate reason why a person should have an assault rifle, and i will change my mind.

    I don't understand why folks need high capacity magazines either. You pretty much turned a handgun into a sub-machine gun. Again, what is the purpose of this?

    I also support a stricter, more thorough background check on those who apply to own a firearm.

    To me, owning a gun has very little to do with protection, but rather control and power. When you pick up a gun, no matter what it is, you feel powerful. You holding the most effective killing utensil man has created yet. Your also holding an object of control, a gun always puts fear into the person it is aimed at or even sees it. By pulling out a gun, no matter what your intentions, you have instilled fear into the people around you and have gained control. Most folks will use this power and control for good and their intentions are pure, but there are those who would use this power and control in a negative way, whether they wanted to or not, it doesn't change the outcome.

    If you want the freedom of owning a firearm, you better be ready to accept the responsibilities and the consequences of owning a firearm.

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    Chris, if you're told which guns you can own, and which you cannot, isn't that in a sense a ban? If you're not allowed a certain weapon, it is banned from you being able to own it. They might sugar-coat it, and call it something else, but if you're denied ownership, it's banned, bottom line.

    I don't own any 21 round mags, my EBR's are fed from 30 rounders And you're stating by inserting an higher cap mag, it turns a rifle into a fully automatic weapon? Really?

    I also find it odd that you assume some sort of "power" by simply holding a weapon. I don't, never have.

    "You holding the most effective killing utensil man has created yet."
    Hiroshima would tend to show differently.

    "By pulling out a gun, no matter what your intentions, you have instilled fear into the people around you and have gained control."
    Well, I wouldn't "pull out a gun" unless there was a threat requiring it, and if it went as the rest of your statement, then good, that was what I intended it to do, and possibly more if the threat increased.

    ETA: What was the reason YOU carried a gun?

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    There are laws that protect us from whomever getting our medical records. I'm just curious about them over reaching. This administration does not like the constitution; why should they abide by the laws protecting our medical records?
    You're contradicting yourself, and agreeing with what I'd said earlier. There's no "privacy" in any aspect of your life if the Government chooses to put you under the magnifying glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCarter View Post
    allowed to carry a firearm of their choice to reasonably protect themselves and those around them. allowed to own a reasonable amount of firearms within their household. keeping them out of the hands of people who are not qualified to handle a firearm.
    ALLOWED? Who decides?
    Reasonable? Who decides? Oh our government because they are so reasonable right?
    Qualified? Who decides? Again our government the one who thinks a spending cut is not spending as much as you planned five years from now….now I feel safer!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCarter View Post
    assault rifle
    Assault …really, it means a violent or viscous attack, I think my little ol 38 revolver could be used for a violent or vicious attack right….Assault used by the media as a scare tactic!

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    No person has ever convinced me why they need an assault rifle.
    No person could convince the NEED to fish but we still do it??

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    Do you have zero faith in law enforcement and our military?
    YES, 0 Faith! To be there at the time of need. I don’t have a cop or member of the military in my house or standing next to me all the time.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCarter View Post
    I also support a stricter, more thorough background check on those who apply to own a firearm.
    Good, go downtown tonight and start checking background of gangbangers and criminals and get back to us. Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCarter View Post
    If you want the freedom of owning a firearm, you better be ready to accept the responsibilities and the consequences of owning a firearm.
    Couldn’t agree more so let me decide as a loaded 38 with one in the chamber is no more than three feet from my fingers as I type this. And in all due respect to you and all military including public servants Thank You for your Service!!!!!

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    Are some of you guys so paranoid as to answer the doorbell with a gun in your have every time you answer it because if you don't your gun for protection theory is a sham... We keep firearms because we like them and enjoy the hobbies that go along with them... The 'old west' mentality should have went away a good many years ago... I seriously doubt any of you guys making all the noise here have ever seen a need to 'protect' yourself with a firearm in your life, I am 67 and have never seen a time that I wished I had a firearm handy.

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    but when you do................................hmmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by HLLeonard View Post
    I am 67 and have never seen a time that I wished I had a firearm handy.
    Fairly certain most have never been a victim, yet does it hurt anyone for a responsible gun owner to have one handy? Home invasions as an example was never a crime and now it's almost daily that one or two are on the news. Some of the people that have had their home invaded happened to be gun owners who were able to protect themselves and their families. I'd have no problem at all pulling the trigger on some worthless POS if the situation called for it. Key phrase, "situation called for it"
    So don't hate those just trying to protect their own and practice their rights as a citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HLLeonard View Post
    Are some of you guys so paranoid as to answer the doorbell with a gun in your have every time you answer it because if you don't your gun for protection theory is a sham... We keep firearms because we like them and enjoy the hobbies that go along with them... The 'old west' mentality should have went away a good many years ago... I seriously doubt any of you guys making all the noise here have ever seen a need to 'protect' yourself with a firearm in your life, I am 67 and have never seen a time that I wished I had a firearm handy.
    Easy solution, DON'T OWN ONE. Keep in mind not everyone agrees with you, and need to be free to make their own choice. You're free to make yours, leave me free to make mine.
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    As i read some of your responses, I close my eyes and try to see the world through your eyes. What I see is a person barricaded his home while shooting out the window at the FBI, or CIA, or the US military. Because they are protecting themselves from the government. You don't like our government, fine. Neither do I, I want to see a more state run government, the one our forefathers intended us to have.

    You want to know who I think should decide who should have a gun, what kind of gun? Their community, their neighbors, the people that person will be affecting the most by owning a gun.

    I joined the service to protect the freedoms of my country. But if your saying that by going down the gun shop and buying firearms is a way of you protecting your freedoms in this country, well hell, why did i join the service anyway? I could've skipped all that boot camp and military training and just simply bought a gun at pawn shop.

    When i mentioned high capacity magazines, i meant for handguns, not rifles. I might have gotten a little carried away comparing them to fully automatic weapons. But i still don't think they are necessary.

    Not every one wants a gun, not every one can handle a gun. Maybe its because i have taken lives with a gun that i feel citizens in this country shouldn't own certain firearms. But I will say this again, i support any one who is responsible enough to own and operate a handgun, shotgun, rifle, or combination of the 3, but i don't see a reason to have a semi-automatic or fully automatic assault rifle.

    I'll change the wording I used earlier. A gun is the most effective and easily acquired killing tool. Obviously, you can't stroll in to Walmart and ask for a nuclear bomb.

    The day everyone owns a firearm, is the day we no longer need law enforcement or military. We can go back to the 1790's when each state had their own militia.

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    Well Chris. with comprimise and incrementalism you preach is one of the most definite ways people will be hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCarter View Post
    As i read some of your responses, I close my eyes and try to see the world through your eyes. What I see is a person barricaded his home while shooting out the window at the FBI, or CIA, or the US military. Because they are protecting themselves from the government. You don't like our government, fine. Neither do I, I want to see a more state run government, the one our forefathers intended us to have.

    You want to know who I think should decide who should have a gun, what kind of gun? Their community, their neighbors, the people that person will be affecting the most by owning a gun.

    I joined the service to protect the freedoms of my country. But if your saying that by going down the gun shop and buying firearms is a way of you protecting your freedoms in this country, well hell, why did i join the service anyway? I could've skipped all that boot camp and military training and just simply bought a gun at pawn shop.

    When i mentioned high capacity magazines, i meant for handguns, not rifles. I might have gotten a little carried away comparing them to fully automatic weapons. But i still don't think they are necessary.

    Not every one wants a gun, not every one can handle a gun. Maybe its because i have taken lives with a gun that i feel citizens in this country shouldn't own certain firearms. But I will say this again, i support any one who is responsible enough to own and operate a handgun, shotgun, rifle, or combination of the 3, but i don't see a reason to have a semi-automatic or fully automatic assault rifle.

    I'll change the wording I used earlier. A gun is the most effective and easily acquired killing tool. Obviously, you can't stroll in to Walmart and ask for a nuclear bomb.

    The day everyone owns a firearm, is the day we no longer need law enforcement or military. We can go back to the 1790's when each state had their own militia.
    As you close your eyes and "try to imagine", what you're seeing is what you've been lead to see by the media, and you're proof it works. Not sure where you get that those who choose to own whatever weapon of their choosing is in relationship to the Government, other than, once again, brain-washing media. They want everyone to believe that pretty much EVERY weapon owned is a fully-automatic high-cap "clip" fed monster wielded by someone who could double for Rambo in full camo with face-paint. Again, media hog-wash.

    You're making allowances again for others to make my decisions for me. Why should my neighbors choose what I can own and what I can't? Maybe your community should require you all to wear a similar "uniform", so that they can distinguish you from the community next door. I mean, you wouldn't want to embarrass them by just wearing jeans and a t-shirt, right? I mean, after all, it's "their" choice how you should look, maybe the vehicle you drive, and how many kids you can have. It's all about "their" choices, not yours, right? After all, "their" the ones you'll be "affecting", right?

    Not sure if you're aware of it, but we already have the Right to go buy a gun, 2 guns, 5 guns, whatever. THAT'S one of the freedoms you fought for. I don't see anyone here asking for more than our Constitution sets-forth. Again, you're twisted into believing because "Joe Citizen" owns guns, he's doing it to me a 1-man Army. You should spend as much time reading/learning about why people own guns, as opposed to why the media wants you to think they shouldn't. Maybe we should have a Law forcing every person of age to carry a weapon...and eliminate their choice. Makes about as much sense as telling someone else they can't, or what they can't.

    Again, hogwash about the high-cap mags. You know how long it takes to pop one out, and another in? I don't even see any argument there, just more BS to further demonize them. Maybe everyone should be limited to single-shots? Perhaps sometime you'll be walking after dark, and a group of 10-15 "homies" will pay you a visit, and they new one is there for his initiation, and you're it. Good luck with that single-shot. Oh wait, you won't have a gun on you. Ask for a time-out, diall 911, and I'm sure a cop will arrive post-haste to save your bacon.

    I kind of feel like you shouldn't be able to own a gun Chris, ANY gun. You sense a feeling of "power" when holding one, and that seems rather strange to me. I have no clue what that "power" might lead you to do. Sounds kind of creepy to me.

    OK, so tell me, which kind of gun will kill, and which won't? You seem to have been lead to believe there are weapons strictly for no other purpose. It's either a killer, or a Fudd gun, black or white. I'd be curious to know what you drive, because I would guarantee it's more than you "need", and being larger, faster than you need, you're in effect a much greater threat to others on the road simply out of your desire to drive what you like.

    Enjoy your Kool-Aid.
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