Gun Control

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Originally Posted by PIGINTHEPIGPEN

Wow! a 12ga pump and a .22... Your just a modern day John Wayne.

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That's all one needs for home defense in a gated crack house community

For all their being "outdated' they are STILL front line equiptment for the US Navy SEAL teams, US Army Rangers and Delta Force, USMC Fleet Recon teams, British SAS and SBS, Royal Marine Commandos, the Israeli special forces teams, AND Russian "Spendetz' troops, but WHAT DO THEY KNOW, right? YOU KNOW MORE THAN ALL them...BTW ask this yr`s deer hunters more than 1/3rd of which who DID NOT use a GUN. Come break into MY house at night, FOOL...somthing might get STUCK in your "craw"...and I like the WIDER broadheads too...

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Originally Posted by fishingpox

That's all one needs for home defense in a gated crack house community

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True Pox, my bad.

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Originally Posted by Lowellhturner

For all their being "outdated' they are STILL front line equiptment for the US Navy SEAL teams, US Army Rangers and Delta Force, USMC Fleet Recon teams, British SAS and SBS, Royal Marine Commandos, the Israeli special forces teams, AND Russian "Spendetz' troops, but WHAT DO THEY KNOW, right? YOU KNOW MORE THAN ALL them...BTW ask this yr`s deer hunters more than 1/3rd of which who DID NOT use a GUN. Come break into MY house at night, FOOL...somthing might get STUCK in your "craw"...and I like the WIDER broadheads too...

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No worries Lowell, I was raised better than that. I would Never break into anyone's house. Never!

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Originally Posted by Lowellhturner

For all their being "outdated' they are STILL front line equiptment for the US Navy SEAL teams, US Army Rangers and Delta Force, USMC Fleet Recon teams, British SAS and SBS, Royal Marine Commandos, the Israeli special forces teams, AND Russian "Spendetz' troops, but WHAT DO THEY KNOW, right? YOU KNOW MORE THAN ALL them...BTW ask this yr`s deer hunters more than 1/3rd of which who DID NOT use a GUN. Come break into MY house at night, FOOL...somthing might get STUCK in your "craw"...and I like the WIDER broadheads too...

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For home defense I like 12 ga. 3inch magnum 00 buckshot. Gods thing my and my neighbors house are brick. Though I think we will all celebrate a good kill

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Originally Posted by fishingpox

For home defense I like 12 ga. 3inch magnum 00 buckshot. Gods thing my and my neighbors house are brick. Though I think we will all celebrate a good kill

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I like your choice in home defense. My choice also with extended tube to hold 8 rounds of stopping power. And if i have to use it there getting all 8

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Originally Posted by Big H trucking

I like your choice in home defense. My choice also with extended tube to hold 8 rounds of stopping power. And if i have to use it there getting all 8

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Yep, cause I know my home , I'm shooting through walls, the Bastia won't get much of a chance. Though I could hide behind a wall a jump out and stick them in the eye with a broad head.

I read the paper thoroughly and then did some background research and all the countries listed there have stringent gun control laws by US standards. Compared to the United States, they all group together, even Switzerland which requires guns for active duty and reserve military households but restricts ammunition severely and the purposes for which the guns may be used as well. The actual outlier was Russia which was and still is in a state of chaos following the breakup of the Soviet Union and is pretty much not comparable as a result to any of them.

Like I said before the additional research I found shows me that I can easily live with the gun control measures in those European nations with the most guns.

It is the article you cite that is cherry picking from the paper, that it references, which does not properly qualify its comparison sets in the first place, both completely ignoring any cultural difference between the nations involved and not relating that in the least to American culture which is dramatically different from all of them when it comes to guns and crime.

I read a lot of formal publications, I have a hard drive full of them, and the paper is a example of sloppy scholarship which is compounded by slanted reporting which is often the case when such extensions are made. FWIW I see that all the time in press releases for scientific papers, too, generally done in a very similar manner, which is why I got the original just as I do with the scientifically juried publications and read it through carefully, noting as I did that background for the sets used was not properly defined or qualified. I then confirmed that with independent sources. Sorry that paper is trash and the article about it is worse. The conclusion in the original paper is basically worthless. No positive commentary cannot possible exceed that quality level, and in fact there is nothing there to argue against either except that it is a waste of time, since it is so poorly done.

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Originally Posted by Cane Pole

You left out the findings of the research and only pick your talking points...So I will help you decipher the findings. See below if you understand "findings".........

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

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Far out there LT. Arrow thru the throat. Good imagination. You keep it loaded?

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Originally Posted by no1son

I read the paper thoroughly and then did some background research and all the countries listed there have stringent gun control laws by US standards. Compared to the United States, they all group together, even Switzerland which requires guns for active duty and reserve military households but restricts ammunition severely and the purposes for which the guns may be used as well. The actual outlier was Russia which was and still is in a state of chaos following the breakup of the Soviet Union and is pretty much not comparable as a result to any of them.

Like I said before the additional research I found shows me that I can easily live with the gun control measures in those European nations with the most guns.

It is the article you cite that is cherry picking from the paper, that it references, which does not properly qualify its comparison sets in the first place, both completely ignoring any cultural difference between the nations involved and not relating that in the least to American culture which is dramatically different from all of them when it comes to guns and crime.

Harvard professors don't meet your self proclaimed high standards eh?

I read a lot of formal publications, I have a hard drive full of them, and the paper is a example of sloppy scholarship which is compounded by slanted reporting which is often the case when such extensions are made. FWIW I see that all the time in press releases for scientific papers, too, generally done in a very similar manner, which is why I got the original just as I do with the scientifically juried publications and read it through carefully, noting as I did that background for the sets used was not properly defined or qualified. I then confirmed that with independent sources. Sorry that paper is trash and the article about it is worse. The conclusion in the original paper is basically worthless. No positive commentary cannot possible exceed that quality level, and in fact there is nothing there to argue against either except that it is a waste of time, since it is so poorly done.

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So the Harvard professors don't meet you self proclaimed high standards of research eh?