Gun Control

Again, well said, No1son...

Fishingpox, you and several others seem to insist that unless we DROOL with LUST and thirst for blood spraying from the countless victims of our FULLY auto .50 cal twin mount M2 machine guns with completely empty ammo boxes having just spewwed several thousand rounds of graphite coated hollow point "cop killer" bullets with red hot barrels still smoking we`re "ANTI-GUN 'fudds" or what ever. DUDE, I OWN a shotgun AND a .45. Unlike the (deleted)s who apparently "need' the largest weapon of mass destruction or largest calibur artillery ever built for "home defense', I CAN SHOOT straight and DO NOT NEED to further enrich the gun companies you MUST own stock in. I would actually PREFERE to use a crossbow at point blank range...aim for the spine thru the throat with a broadhead and PROBLEM SOLVED...but then again, my next door neighbor would be in NO DANGER WHATSO EVER...I WOULDN`T BE ABLE to piss poor "justify" possibly ENDANGERING HIM and HIS FAMILY! Oh MY GOD...I`m "un AMERICAN"!!! I`m NOT FORCING MY BULLETS INTO HIS HOME, even "accidently"!!! FORGIVE ME...

Dude while you are aiming with a bow, you just got shot. I figured you were smarter than that. Too each their own, your seed won't be around long

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Originally Posted by no1son

Thanks for the read both the article and the publication it was based on, one that holds up both Finland and Norway as examples. Both countries require a permit to purchase any gun based on a provided valid reason and an extensive background check, plus both have very strict regulations on public use and on home storage. Self protection is not a valid purpose in Finland and almost never accepted as one in Norway, and each gun must be individually registered as well. I have no problem with either of those systems.

Too bad both main examples are heavily regulated and therefore are actual examples of effectively functioning gun control.

When it comes to Russia, the period covered includes all the chaos of the dissolution and resulting unrest following the breakup of the Soviet Union, the lawlessness and the rise of the Russian mafia and the establishement of the Putin tyranny. Not a very good comparison to use for anything.

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You left out the findings of the research and only pick your talking points...So I will help you decipher the findings. See below if you understand "findings".........

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

For an interesting paper on urban effects of being armed check out this one from The American Journal of Public Health

American Journal of Public Health, DOI: 10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P<.05)
times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among
gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted
odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P<.05)."

The publications on the topic of this list are all over the place, with none of them being non-controversial. We can trade sources all day, and I expect I will still retain ownership of my hat.

I had both a 12 ga pump shotgun and a Colt woodsman .22 pistol when we moved into the core of Minneapolis, and divested of both of them to satisfy my wife, who like my rurally raised mother, was extremely uncomfortable having guns around the house when there were children, and have not regretted it for one instant. Never ever in my life, including successful neighborhood campaigns that chased out crack houses and a prostitution ring on my block over the past thirty years, have ever needed a gun for self-protection.

Ask Custer about that.... lol

BTW bows and arrows were among the most frequently banned weapons of war in the early States. Some of those laws are still on the books, IIRC.

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One girl wanted to know how to react to a shooter who takes aim at a classmate.

The Dalai Lama said acts of violence should be remembered, and then forgiveness should be extended to the perpetrators.

But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, he said, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. Not at the head, where a fatal wound might result. But at some other body part, such as a leg.

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The Dalai ROCKS!

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Originally Posted by no1son

The hat is inedible. Besides it is an old friend of something like 15 years, else I would bring it down to you personally and watch you choke on it.

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More like that you would personally watch me relief myself in it. I got something you can choke on and it aint no hat. Them Crows been keeping you awake at night no1son?

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Originally Posted by no1son

We can trade sources all day ...

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Yes, we can. I'll stick with this one.

More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, Third Edition (Studies in Law and Economics): John R. Lott Jr.: 9780226493664: Amazon.com: Books

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Originally Posted by no1son

For an interesting paper on urban effects of being armed check out this one from The American Journal of Public Health

American Journal of Public Health, DOI: 10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P<.05)
times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among
gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted
odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P<.05)."

The publications on the topic of this list are all over the place, with none of them being non-controversial. We can trade sources all day, and I expect I will still retain ownership of my hat.

I had both a 12 ga pump shotgun and a Colt woodsman .22 pistol when we moved into the core of Minneapolis, and divested of both of them to satisfy my wife, who like my rurally raised mother, was extremely uncomfortable having guns around the house when there were children, and have not regretted it for one instant. Never ever in my life, including successful neighborhood campaigns that chased out crack houses and a prostitution ring on my block over the past thirty years, have ever needed a gun for self-protection.

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Wow! a 12ga pump and a .22... Your just a modern day John Wayne.