thanks pete, i appreciate that. last time i tried to catch some shad down at wateree i come up short and had to use some old brim id caught several days before i went. shad dont freeze good at all so i dont try to freeze it for future use. I got the crappie i caught yesterday to take and i hope to be able to catch some shad down there. Ive got some tips from several guys on the catfish board and i think there may be several of em down there tomorrow so if i run into any of them i may can get a few baits from them also. if i cant, at least ill have some fresh bait to use and crappie makes great catfish bait. let me know whats the next day you can go other than this coming saturday and well try to hook up and give em a try if it aint too late. Ive had so much going on and the the truck was out of comission for a week that i havent had a chance to do any good fishing since my trip to atlanta. looks like things is gettin to where i can go now.