you got me confussed there DW. kids will get me a beer,and dog samich, and I will not keep a beagle that runs deer. well not long anyway, there are second chances once in a while, mike ulmer rodeo clown from mt vernon now he has a dog that would get a beer out of a cooler and bring it to him I seen the dog do it once.

be glad when deer season (gun) is over so I can go back to running them hounds.