for the advice. I have been trying some of the techniques i have learned from you fine folks at Crappie univeristy (crappie camp) Although I am just a freshman, I hope to graduate with honors some day. Of course that will mean I will have to attend classes (come back to crappie camp). The professors (all the fine folk that are cdc members) can whip up a mean fish fry as well as hand out great info. I have been spider rigging and catching some nice female black crappie (thanks Jarod for the lesson on fishing the breaks for the big females). I hope to pass on all the great info and hospitality to other crappie fishermen in my area (if I can find some HA HA). Thanks again to all you great mo cdc guys.