Well to be fair to Grumpy, I was just assuming the limit (or limit's) that was caught on the lower lake would more then certainly include more then a few fish under 12 inches, just was curious as to why clean them at Engineers Point as opposed to the lower lake station. Be tough to explain "IF" they were cleaning anything under 12" fish at that station. Maybe the lower lake cleaning station is down or something, but I still wouldn't go to Engineers to clean them if so, Mr. Green jeans bases his tickets on what he see's or finds to be true of the situation at hand.