I dont know but it was $1299.99 new. I dont know what I should ask for it, should it sell. But im all about giving pretty good deals. I have a guy interested all I have to do is make up my mind and its gone. Was thinking I needed an 80lb. Thats what my fortrex is. I don't mind coming out of pocket on it. Just wanna make sure its the right decision. And i want to buy exactly what i want so im not buying different things.