Got my shiner minnows in Lyons from a older guy that runs a small bait and tackle. Price was decent, size was good compared to some I've seen and he gave me a good count. Bought them Wednesday and I had to throw out 4 last night that had died. I've seen some coolers of shiners dead before I got to the lake. He has a good price on custom built ice rods, too. I would recommend stopping in if you're in the area.