Thanks, I'm trying to get out there to find them I just don't have anyone to learn from around here so I make a lot of newbie or dumb questions. Say I want to catch them in the Potomac or any river near Me and asked about it on another forum, not one person gave Me a tip on where to drop the boat at, makes Me feel like the experienced ones there only post to show off with their buddies rather than coach someone who really wants to learn not just asking for a single fishing spot.