Haha Cane Pole you are right about the thills being good but I buy them and bp slip floats and if I break one off I go get it. These things are sometimes hard to find so I don't let them get away. I have some that are over 20 years old. They get a little wore out bait side of the tube but I will cut off about 1/8th inch of it with a razor blade and keep using them. So you didn't find any of mine.