That's a nice fish even for a pro like you, thanks for the info., looks like we'll be fighting the wind at Clinton. My knees are healing up but slower than I like so I still can't get my boat out but I'm gettin pretty good at inviting myself along on others boats (thanks Ron and Chad) and they don't seem to mind my fish-bite-killing talent. ( ignore my voice mail on you're phone you already answered my question) Lets chase some crappie some time.