I learned spring bobbers arn't bobbers there strike indicators, really. and no Fishless there not slip bobbers.Also learned Fishless is using the oldest fish finders known to modern man. Also got some great walleye trips sorry guys lined up with some new friends .And one very old friend Den Oz.Wish I could have bent Black dogs ear more but he was stuck on the far end of the table, great meeting you. Looking foward to a new season and some great fishing.