well made a phone call to a buddie of mine and tomm. we are going to another lake that noone has been on yet we drag the boat about 50 yards to the water the launch opens in april so we are beating the crowd and i know there are some weed flats in there so i will try the float trick len .

and i tried minnow with jig / without jig and even without minnow fatman even rigged up a tandom with a loop about 18 inches above my bottom jig and tried a light color and a darker color on each no luck but with each attempt i get smarter and learn to control my nerves lol.

Scott