I just thought of an other thing on eagle claw products. I called the company maybe ten years ago and ask if they could make me sickle style hooks. I got a real person who talked to me several different times. My operation is so small I could not commit to a Production type order of one million hooks. After that about three years we got the lil nasty because all of US wanted an alternative to the late matzu. And after that much time they contacted me that this product was out and I could order. Eagle Claw has my business for quality and their are real people there. Sorry that got a lil long winded. Enjoy the hobby.