Thanks TeeDee, yep, those Gold and Chartreuse ones do work great for sure. I took a note from one of Gene the Fishing Machine's video's and made a couple. I went to a bait shop close to Stockton to get some minnows and went on over to the lake and tried the gold and chartreuse. That day was overcast and drizzly...I took home 6 nice white crappy from a little fishing pier, no boat...wilii be trying the others I a couple more days, I hope.