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thanks you all ,I tried new to me method on the grey and white ,palmered grey rabbit ,then tied white zonker just on the belly of the jig, pushing the grey to the sides
tip that works for me ,I started tying with 210 but tend to build up to much on hair jigs ,switched to 70 made big difference but kept breacking started using dubbing wax on bobbin where it holds the spool can stay tight enough to not free spool but with little pressure spools nice ,any one else do this?