I used 210 Flat Waxed for the Red and actually I wanted it brighter than the patterns I have seen so used FL Fire Orange in it's place. Then switch mid tie to 140 Black and tied in the hackle, then finished the Black oval and then finish and glue. I saw a guy that did a lot of these and he did the whole tie before adding the hackle in last. Tried that and didn't like it as much. It's kind of a pain to try and keep the hackles out of the glue and you won't, LOL! However you can get off what matters with finger and thumb nails after it's finished. The darn little bumps get kind of hard once the middle is getting close to finished, but other than that and a lot of wraps, not bad at all, just time.