The one on the RR is actually size #3. I get #3 when it's chenille with crystal in it because once you add crystal in it the density is less so I go up a size. Have been thinking about trying #4 even and have a sample coming that is #4 with crystal so I can tie a jig and see how it is. I fine a #3 with crystal is really not any more than #2 without and maybe still less??

The other chenille the all Crystal is size #10