liftbite I am also in a holding pattern, but this is my 2nd time with this rodeo. Several years back it was Bronze #4 and I bet I broke 50 of them while tying the darn things. Now when you start breaking a #4 hook with 210 denier thread, that is pitiful. I love the hooks when they stop screwing them up with their bad QC on heat treating and right now I will wait and see, but if they don't do something I will me major hot under the collar.

SO I am with you so far, but darn when I first started showing these hook here on this site something like 6 to 7 years ago, I really sold them hard because of how sharp they are and how great the hook up is, but they have to get their collective stuff together!