and if you try to order them stateside, you're in for a long wait. I believed it me in skip by quite a few in stateside when we can. I know of two or three different outfits will cater throughout the Northwest. But good luck in trying to get any out of them. I've been trying on one for over three years. Of course some of the better stop is quite expensive but if you are tying good fly patterns you will need them especially on dry flies in like skip said above, I don't think you would want to use this type of stuff on jigs too darn expensive and less you are tying exotics which I called exotics or you are tying a fly pattern on a jig head which I would like to see more of.